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Can science explain the beginning of the Universe?


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There is no question that modern cosmology and astronomy have produced a remarkable narrative of the Universe’s early history. But can science really provide an answer?

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Unuverse has always been, so inquiring into its beginning is asking a nonsensical question.
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And you know this because...?
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I know this because any and all attempts to rewind the clock back to some ultimate beginning never succeed, not really. All that ever actually happens is that our understanding sort of fades out into greater levels of ignorance (although in Big Bang cosmology this ignorance is disguised by appeals to metaphysical entities that make it seem as though such theoreticians know when in fact they know not). This is what we should expect to happen if universe is forever, but in the infinite past existed in conditions our models are inadequate for describing.

Also, the inflationary Bang is clearly not the creation of the entire universe, but an event that happened within a pre-existing universe. All this talk of ‘multiverses’ is completely unnecesary. Universe is, by definition, everything that exists’ which makes the multiverse concept superfluous to requirements.

Not that I care much for inflationary cosmology, because it’s bogus science. But those who do see merit in it absolutely do not have to agree with this nonsense that the universe popped into existence from nothing. Common sense tells us this is BS, and common sense is correct.
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I'm getting bored with human speculation over the beginning of the universe, and other such questions.

I think we need to get on with developing Superintelligent AI and then ask THAT to explain to us (in moron terms) what the fu_ck is going on.

If SAI can't answer simple questions like this, and engineer stuff like superluminal transport, it's NOT superintelligent. It's superdumb ... like us.

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James, at any given moment there are scientists working on every problem imaginable. Often, things that seem like a waste of time turn out to be critical. Who knows, maybe studying the origins of the universe will lead to a way to build the ultimate quantum computer. We just never know.
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But all evidence shows that empiricism is the methodology to pursue if you wish to obtain knowledge that can be turned to practical purpose. Pursuing mysticism has its uses, no doubt, but useful in helping create new technologies, it is not.
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But all evidence shows that empiricism is the methodology to pursue if you wish to obtain knowledge that can be turned to practical purpose. Pursuing mysticism has its uses, no doubt, but useful in helping create new technologies, it is not.


There are plenty of people testing empirical results and also speculating at every level. Scientists tend to gravitate toward openings. When there is an opening for empiricism, that is where they go. Remember, there are a LOT of people doing science. They can't all do one thing.
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Yeah, that’s a good point. I shall try to remember it.
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It just occurred to me that we probably hear a lot more about scientists doing abstract theoretical work because it is more interesting. No one wants to hear about 73 tests that confirmed the mass of a proton. Nevertheless, the majority of physicists are engaged in that kind of work.
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