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I am related to King Edward the first.
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>What is it like in Heaven?<

Probably terrifying. You would be confronting God and would therefore have to confront the truth of how utterly puny and insignificant you are. Probably only minds that have been trained to disregard all ambition other than the endless adoration of such a supreme being would be able to face God and not be driven mad. This suggests that heaven and hell are not two different realms but the same place seen through different perspectives. You know, like it said in that film Jacob’s Ladder. “If you cling to this life then you will see devils tearing away your flesh. But if you have made your peace then the devils are really angels come to free your soul’.

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You would be confronting God and would therefore have to confront the truth of how utterly puny and insignificant you are.


Eventually, we will develop a mathematical proof that God exists. At the same time, we will perfect the the technology to create heaven on our own.

The combination of technical knowledge and the knowledge that God is always watching will make everyone be good. And yet, they still will never see God or have any need to confront him except in their own thoughts and deeds.

Thus, heaven is a place where we all live in harmony and with plenty but never have to look directly into the light of providence.
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@spud I have to confess despite Tipler being mention often here I know only the basics of his ideas and havent done a deep dive - i should probably do that. I have long been an atheist and thought nothing would evet ding that belief but I do have this wacko idea of the Universe self organizing every atom into an intelligent superbeing. Clearly theres more intelligence now than there was 13.7 billion years ago. Computers are only going to get more powerful. Networked together as an AInet - SingularityNet blockchain sounds like a great idea to me. Then Neurolace connecting our brains together (and interfaced with SingulatityNet). Then nanobots scooping up material and converting it exponentially into intelligent matter. I find this idea absurd, terrifying and plausible.
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Omega Point

Frank J. Tipler

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The Omega Point cosmology
The Omega Point is a term Tipler uses to describe a cosmological state in the distant proper-time future of the universe that he maintains is required by the known physical laws. According to this cosmology, it is required for the known laws of physics to be mutually consistent that intelligent life take over all matter in the universe and eventually force its collapse. During that collapse, the computational capacity of the universe diverges to infinity and environments emulated with that computational capacity last for an infinite duration as the universe attains a solitary-point cosmological singularity. This singularity is Tipler's Omega Point.[6] With computational resources diverging to infinity, Tipler states that a society far in the future would be able to resurrect the dead by emulating all alternative universes of our universe from its start at the Big Bang.[7] Tipler identifies the Omega Point with God, since, in his view, the Omega Point has all the properties of God, claimed by most of the traditional religions.[7][8]

Tipler's argument that the omega point cosmology is required by the known physical laws is a more recent development that arose after the publication of his 1994 book The Physics of Immortality. In that book (and in papers he had published up to that time), Tipler had offered the Omega Point cosmology as a hypothesis, while still claiming to confine the analysis to the known laws of physics.[9]

Tipler defined the "final anthropic principle" (FAP) along with co-author physicist John D. Barrow in their 1986 book The Anthropic Cosmological Principle as a generalization of the anthropic principle thus:

Intelligent information-processing must come into existence in the Universe, and, once it comes into existence, will never die out.[10]

One paraphrasing of Tipler's argument for FAP runs as follows. For the universe to logically exist, it must contain observers; otherwise it would be logically meaningless to state whether the universe does or doesn't exist. Our universe obviously exists. If the last observer in our universe died and there were no more observers, then the universe would no longer exist. It is inconsistent with the laws of physics for the universe to stop existing; therefore, there must be an "Omega Point" that sustains life forever.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Tipler

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Spike,

Does the first person to guess that you are an avatar of "the FAP-god thing" who is seeking out "assistant avatars" who can really understand Tipler get a prize?
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@Falken.

Here is another view on things. Not everyone believes, or believes in the same thing (duh!).

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/national-post-latest-edition/20071226/281642480840014

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/magazine/29wwln-lede-t.html

@Spike I like your vision of the Universe.
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As a thought experiment ive tried to imagine the worst posible senario thats plausable.

We could be living in a simulation of a religious zealot with the most terrible views (take your pick of various religions) they could be westboro baptist or some muslim crackpots. But their ideology would be the one that gets you to simulated heaven. But instead you're transported to simulated Hell and suffer eternal burning hell in agony.

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Their idea of paradise would not be ours. Every day they'd be murdering sinners. That's their idea of wonderfulness.

My guess is, like a madhouse, this is the simulation that these creatures should be in, just to give them npc sims to slaughter. Consider it a test by a higher power to entrap and contain these, rather that you.
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Does the first person to guess that you are an avatar of "the FAP-god thing" who is seeking out "assistant avatars" who can really understand Tipler get a prize?


I have a kind of mental calculus I apply to speculating about the universe.

To begin with, I assume that there is some larger meaning to the "machine" called existence. If there is not, and I am wrong, it really doesn't matter what I think and it is all futile anyhow.

Then, I assume that the "larger meaning" is rational. A rational entity would want the parts of the machine it builds to work together. That means that it would probably want its creatures to "like" how things are.

So, I start from there. I ask, "What do I want to be true?"

After I do that, I try to retrofit what appeals to me into the observations that have actually been made.

Curiously, I have made a lot of progress in this way...at least in my own thoughts. Most people think I am deluded.
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