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Spike and Free Open Discussion


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Automation and Guaranteed basic income were what divided the Kurzweil forum and led to the civil war between Spike and the rest regarding the freedom to discuss topics on the forum. He became the in his mind (Spike) the moral authority of on-topic and off-topic discussion. He would troll and call any discussion on machine consciousness off topic, bait people, controls the discussion. Call UBI (universal basic income) communist. Disallow people from voicing themselves with dismissive sarcastic comments. Disregard anyone that said the economy many operate only on technology, not money.

5 people were banned 7 left because they disliked spike. 3 have currently been unbanned. Spike had the power to control the forum and limit free discussion. Censorship by subversion and social manipulation, make people fight by changing the subject. Say their threads were not in the forum guild lines of thread topics must being about emerging science and technology thus must be deleted. He was the forum police. People were not free to be an open community. To be the way they were before he decided to purge the ideas he did not like. Including UBI. Threads discussing him shutting down discussions were shut down. A group of people got mad, profanity was off the charts and all sorts of hate speech and threads about ungodly topics because the staff would not ban Spike. One user got banned and was unbanned because of his channels because of the moderator Giulio interpreted this users statement that if Giulio would not deal with Spike he would use his influence to see that Giulio suffer the repercussions of his complacency with the immoral actions of Spike. Guilio said, "is that a threat". The user said: I will do everything in my power to stop you Gulio from committing your immoral actions allowing Spike to do what he is doing. Guilio banned him. 3 months later this users ban was lifted by a different moderator. The user was Mnemomeme. He is currently banned for other reasons. Mnemomeme challenged Guilios authority and Guilio perceived this as a real threat. Guilio worked as a lead member of the European space program. But did not give a !@#$ as to what Spike was doing.
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Spike has never had any power at KAI, certainly not to ban people or censor discussions.

I used to be a focus of the loony left at KAI. The comments by stalkers on my posts where often vulgar and threatening. I was censored and banned. I haven't asked to be reinstated.

UBI is a proposed welfare program. It is less related to technology than many topics that have been closed or deleted at KAI.

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But what a difference reality makes. Here you are accusing me of all this wrongdoing on a forum that I built and administer; yet, by rules I wrote myself, I am barred from stopping you. Express yourself, I say! God and truth are the same word!
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Disruption and his very statements on what forum members can discuss is enough to make people angry. You think RedQ that I believe spike had power because he could edit content like a mod? That's !@#$ stupid. Spike ruined discussions by trolling and by trolling I mean talking trash well pretending to discuss about the topic to make people angry and to not to listen to what they were saying just because spike did not like what their thread topic was.

Why the !@#$ RedQ would me of all people AnimeKitty be so upset at all this if all spike was doing was voicing his opinion. No, I am socially intelligent enough to know Spike did not like certain topics, he wanted those topics banned, he could not do it himself, so he trolled the topic he did not like. Do you !@#$ get it now RedQ?

That's what I !@#$ Hate. That just because Spike did not like topics being discussed that he was trolling them. That was wrong RedQ. I believe people are allowed to talk about things like machine consciousness and UBI without being trolled. Just because Spike thinks they are morally wrong to be discussed does not make spike morally correct. These topics are not morally wrong and should not have been trolled.


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Keep expressing yourself Cat! This is the Netherworld section. No holds barred. Get it all out!

I have a plumbing problem to fix. Our seven qualified moderators, including Giulio Prisco, will see to your needs.
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"Express yourself"

I put this in the netherworld for fear of offending you. Me saying such thing is offensive and the netherworld was made for the most offensive things. I am not sure I am attacking you. I remember the drama, and it was very much drama. I can't let it go. The way you acted but also everyone else.

Putting my finger on it. I did not want you limiting discussion.
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My view is that the doctrinaire progressives. liberals gone bad; more precisely, billionaires + Marxists, through a fit. They are used to getting their way. They failed. Who they cannot control they hate and fear.

Jonah Godlberg calls this Liberal Fascism-
https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0767917189
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spud100

I do not like what you are discussing. I think that your ideas are evil and dangerous. I think you should not be allowed to discuss things I disagree with. You spud100 I really have no respect for. I have no respect for your ideas on machine consciousness. I have no respect for your ideas on how technology could replace money. I have no respect to use rationality, logic, nor reason to use counter-arguments in a fair debate to let the best ideas win. No spud100 I have no respect for you in any way that would interfere with my agenda. I disagree with you. So I will not make arguments. I will say that the person you mentions to bring up a point was kind of irrelevant to your point because he had dinner at a restaurant that was tacky making the point tacky. Your point is tacky spud100.
Also, spud100 you say another point, I say: but if your point involves money, I just spent money on a football ticket and my team won. Your point was spud100 that the velocity of money keeps employment stable, what do you think we need to do to keep it stable Animekity. And I tell you my football team won.

(If you do not get it by now spud100 you will never get it)

spud100 asks Spike "How do we keep the velocity of money stable". Spike has no respect for spud100 and says, I used money to see a football game and my team won.

That is what happened to many many people spud100. Because of Spike resolution to stop all discussions he believes are wrong to discuss on Kurzweil forum. He even declared on his blog all discussion of machine consciousness must be banned.

How can you stand by his side spud100 when you believe in the constitution in the first amendment of freedom of speech?

Spike has declared so many times what should not be discussed on Kurzweil forum that those who cannot see it and call it liberals being unhappy because they are not getting what they want, I only have this one last piece of evidence.

https://spikosauropod.com/2014/03/11/the-embarrassment-of-artificial-minds/

However, artificial intelligence investigators are their own worst enemies. They are not content to say that they are interested in making machines that can process information in ways that are equal to or superior to humans. They insist that they are attempting to create conscious machines. Ray Kurzweil, a pioneer in artificial intelligence, has even gone so far as to title his most recent book How to Create a Mind.

Artificial intelligence investigators should declare an immediate and complete moratorium on all discussion of creating “minds”. They should draw a sharp distinction between mental states and intelligence and make it clear that what they are attempting to create is intelligence.

This is a big FU to everyone on Kurzweil Forum. This is the way, Spike Thinks. He does not give a (S)(H)(I)(T) about anyone that disagrees with him. He is not open to rational debate to let the best ideas win. He does not respect you spud100. You are shi dot dot dot to him.

investigators should declare an immediate and complete moratorium on all discussion of creating “minds”.

GOD DAMN HELL NO

Spike will never stop open discussion no matter how much he derails threads on Kurzweil forum. We will just talk around him.

discussion of creating “minds” will never be prevented by Spike.

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You want to create minds?

Have you lost yours?

Have a drink or take a valium.

Spike is witty often. Sure, it pushes some people's buttons, but then, this is the internet, where people post some pretty hectic stuff.

Also, there's nothing special about people at KAI, nor on any forum.

Spike is actually pretty spot on by saying that you should keep expressing yourself. The Russian government also realized that if they let people post on forums, there's less public violence/riots.
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Freedom, anger, complacency, control - and then control of the anger.

Once one finds control of anger, a new kind of freedom is experienced.
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