Re: America Civil War II -- It's a real possibility
Soccer moms, accountants and burger flippers aren't suddenly going to take up arms any time soon.
Do you really think that's what makes up the Right? You're kidding, right?
I think the vast, vast majority of the Right is the same as the Left - Just people going about their lives, doing their jobs, and who aren't going to take up arms unless the country were dramatically different than it is today.
I don't think it will come to civil war or revolution. First, the right-wing would win. The Left's power is maximized when the Dem's can conduct show-trials on prime time T.V. and the MSM constantly attacks Trump, his voters and the Rep party. They won't want to risk that. But their goal insures insurrection -- if they freeze out the Right in national politics, it will revolt.
Although the Right would likely win in a knock-down brawl, some unknown numbers of Americans would die.
Hence, the Q option, a cold civil war. It's not clear under what authority the action would proceed (Selma-like intervention to enforce the laws of the nation, martial law, military courts) but it would in essence be an action against enemies domestic for sedition.
It would be best if the voters put Trump and the Reps in charge of House, Senate and Oval Office. That's the best result to avoid open conflict. If the Dems hold one or more of those powercenters it almost insures kinetic action.
Re: America Civil War II -- It's a real possibility On the Ginsburg thing, no, not by itself.
The Donald? Unless Pence is in on it like LBJ and Hoover, no.
An economic collapse? Naw, we did this dance in 2008 and funded the bankers, courtesy of 43 and Obama, and noisy bad, but here we all are.
False flag and getting caught? Unless one has direct targets to punish, we'll be doing slow in-take of evidence.
Newsome, inviting Chinese troops in an either becoming a Peoples Republic, or becoming a canton in the PRC, with Silicon Valley blessing seems actually, plausible. Insane, but who says these people are not already insane?
I just tacked (in Newsflash)on a similar thread invoking if there are any effective means to counter-punch a Obama type state, using Civ Disobedience as the primo method?? What got me started was the effective put-down of the 1967 Detroit riots, by the US military and pondered what it would look like from the other side, versus an Obama state? I used US farmers as an example and thought that if they refused to grow and harvest crops, Obama (or a clone politician basically) would imprison the farmer and his family as an example of what happens to the disobedient?
Re: America Civil War II -- It's a real possibility Seizing guns in Virginia is the test. The Left has to disarm Americans. They've been creeping, but now it's out in the open with the arms grab in Virginia and the ridiculous impeachment of a president.
They will bring in 3rd World voters until they win. It's got to stop. It should have happened one or two generations ago.
Re: America Civil War II -- It's a real possibility Well, if it should have happened 1 or 2 generations ago, what is being missed in the assessment? Why did it not occur? I have a few murky answers, but this is a question that need be asked.
To address Luccid's opinion, on what would drive "the little People," to revolt, one would be gasoline prices driven up by Green-Reds, aka, the Quad, if Liz Warren became dictator, and on her first day, shuts down fracking as she said she would. Closing down FB memebership, Twits, & Instagram as in purging. Increased Taxes for any reason. A targeted assassination attempt, and so forth as Redq listed some from the vid.
Re: America Civil War II -- It's a real possibility It’s time for you guys to face up to the truth about the Demopublicans, so here it is:
“America has experienced a profound realignment of its politics over the last generation, driven by a combination of globalisation, American economic decline, and the rising use of money to shape American politics and government policy. The core of this realignment is that the two political parties now compete for money, while colluding to hide this fact. They provide the appearance, and often the reality, of fierce partisan conflict on social and ‘values’ issues, whereas on the issues of critical concern to the financial sector and America’s economic oligarchy, their actions are almost identical. We have, in short, a political duopoly- a cartel formed by the two parties that, between them, control all of American politics.
At first glance, the suggestion that both parties are colluding and under the influence of a single oligarchy seems absurd....there is real political conflict in America, especially on social issues that matter to the two parties- bases- abortion, gay marriage, sex education versus religion in schools...guaranteed-health-services-as-socialism, gun control....These are very real, very important issues; and on these issues, each political party can credibly tell its base that defeat would mean real, painful losses.
But that is exactly the point. It’s a brilliant strategy. These social and ‘values’ conflicts serve excellently to divide and distract people who should, and perhaps otherwise would, be dangerously united in feeling they were being raped by their CEOS, their bankers...and the political establishment. Thus, each party can continue to command the grudging support of people who feel that if the other side won, they would lose something important, which leaves the two parties free to collude on the most important thing to both of them- money.
Of course, not every one likes this new arrangement. Even many wealthy people and some major industries are disturbed, and even harmed, by this descent into political corruption, financial instability, and economic decline...But for the most part, even these people and groups dare not resist, or find it not in their interest to do so. The wealthy, and the businesses they own and run, depend upon access to the increasingly separate, private financial system operated for the wealthy by the big banks, and private equity firms. Functions such as private banking, wealth management, estate and trust planning, IPOS, tax minimisation...are now dominated by a small number of large financial firms. Moreover, in some regards, such as individual taxes, the interests of senior executives in all industries are aligned with those who run the financial sector. And successful individuals of conscience are not a concentrated, naturally cohesive industry, whereas finance and the ultra rich are, so it’s not really a contest”.
So there you have it. Stop squabbling over trivial matters like which half of this cartel is ‘more evil’ and do the only truly right thing, which is to join the Zeitgeist movement and press for real fundamental change.
Re: America Civil War II -- It's a real possibility I used to get the impression that the "right" had lost more power and influence than they realize. Their influence seemed hollowed out somehow.. And the left is the side that's strategically regulated with different methods of divide / unite strategies. Like a controlled burn on a grill; it could technically go alot hotter, but you keep it regulated with the air vents.
Anyway, I remember Obama made a comment once, about how politics was like wrestling entertainment.
But maybe he saw some of it behind the scenes as more scripted than they let on. Like, it looks like a big struggle, but it's mostly predetermined. Left and right hand of the same entity, so to speak.