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If they would've limited their hate speech label, to the likes of the klan, neo-nazis, black israelites, religious extremists, etc..
People would probably not have noticed it much.

There wouldn't be a push for free speech, no matter what's being said.
Which I honestly don't trust is realistically doable in the real world.

The only part of that I agree with, is the idea that we'd have a slippery slope, where the goal post would continue to get strategically moved... like we have now, where the likes of Sargon or BPS wind up encompassed by those labels, and if you listen to the propaganda wing of the "left", you'd think they were one and the same.

But again, I don't think Free Speech, no matter what's being said is realistically doable any time soon.

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The only abridgement of speech used in the free speech idea is the legal exclusion of child porn and things like urging violence. Maybe another almost completely agreed thing or two.

With those very limited provisos - it is already on Gab, and almost on BitChute.

It used to be on Google - that was one of the reasons they got a very valuable legal exclusion.

Being an open public square, the platforms are immune from any lawsuit aimed at them for what someone posts. Thats a Fed Law, granted because they were seen as a valuable public square.

Back then, in the "open YouTube," open "we ain't evil" days at Google, the Feds didn't want tons of litigation to shut them down - a real risk any company may face to some degree, in the "United States of Litigation."

That legal immunity is now under threat, by a Repub Senator who has proposed a bill to strip that, since they decided to not remain an open public square.

Some concerned EV'r (ahem) has posted about that:

New Law Could End Social Media Censorship - Big Tech Is Outraged

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Came across this, thought it was pretty good.

I don't have a problem with adding another salad emoji minus the egg, but why change the original one?

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He is so, so right.

I expect you, I, and at least a few others know that this is true, and applies to us in the US as well.

Various examples of this get special vids. If the PC emoji change tipped this guys mind over and he saw this point strongly enough to make this vid - good!

Well done, old chap!

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He mentioned the crows in the original Dumbo... which has been labelled racist these days. And, I now notice that Disney edited the Crow song "When I see an Elephant Fly" completely out of the original Dumbo on their Disney+ service, along with "Song of the South".

And, I noticed (from Googling) that many of the mainstream articles about it, cheered on their decision, even saying that the Crow's and their song were "disturbingly racist", and it's a good thing that Disney is addressing it.

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If you’ll recall–or not, because it would be totally understandable if you blocked this from your memory–the musical number “When I See an Elephant Fly” features Jim Crow, an animated crow version of the black caricature propagated during slavery, and his friends teasing Dumbo. The scene has long been criticized for its racist overtones, evident in how the birds speak and dress, as well as the simple fact that they are indeed jet-black crows.

Disney choosing to omit this scene is a wise move, but it’s also a slippery slope of censorship. Animation as a whole has a disturbingly racist past. Aside from Song of the South and Jim Crow, people have raised valid concerns about the portrayal of Native Americans in Peter Pan, problematic “Asian” cats in Lady and the Tramp and The Aristocats, the depiction of the Middle East in Aladdin, and so much more. WatchMojo.com has a great roundup of films that Disney has already edited and others that, quite frankly, should be edited now.



At least in the case of Dumbo, there are African Americans in many regions that speak this way, and would see these characters as cool, familiar, and a harmless depiction of their regional culture.

(IMHO) The only way this would be so racist it needs to be edited out of existence, (aside from the name "Jim Crow".. that's kinda triggery) is if this were the only type of depiction of African Americans anywhere in media... So in the past, I think people might've had a point, that this was racist. (in that context)

But, seeing as how we're striving to have an entire spectrum of African American characters in movies and television, I don't really see how this is particularly racist now..

It's like Cledis the slack jawed yokel in the Simpsons. He wouldn't be considered a racist character by the left, (because he's white, and you can't be racist towards them) but also because there's an entire spectrum of white characters on television. (although rural white people, have been shat on regularly in media)

It kinda seems like modern day SJWs think it's horribly racist, simply because it's been tagged as such in the past and they have to follow the script...

Either that, or deep down they just have no respect for the way these crows speak or act. They honestly think this is a degenerate, uneducated way of speaking and behaving, that people should be ashamed of.

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That doesn't seem racist to me.

I've heard lots of old black musicians and singers thanks to YouTube - ah, gone so wrong, now! - and no question that the cartoon is kosher.

Insensitive for some too-delicate minds is as far as I'd go. We do people with such over-sensitivity no favor by coddling such tissue-thin type of over-sensitivity.

Best to ease into reality, any of ya out there.

Thanks for cluing me to that other cartoon thats been un-cartooned. Now I wanna see that, too!

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This ain't it - but it discusses it, describes it with some fun, and has many clips.



With this one I can see why some think it's racist - since I see it. Along with one or two other cartoon excerpts they include.

And stuff like this, from 2009:

"This week Costco pulled the black “Lil’ Monkey” baby doll from its shelves, along with its white “Pretty Panda” counterpart, as a result of protests that it was racist."


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https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/16/black-lil-monkey-baby-doll/

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Sometimes it's over-sensitivity, and other times clear.




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Yeah, here's a couple of comments on the video:
Shawn R
8 months ago
"The leader of the Crows is named Jim crow. You really don't see anything racist about that{?} even in their mannerism and dialect. It's sitting right in your face, it's so obvious"
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Shawn R
8 months ago
@Venom Brooks "I just mentioned that which I don't understand how she can't see anything racist about the scene. Their mannerism and dialect along scream racism."

It's so obvious. It's right in front of your face. The typical liberal sub-routine that many people follow to help them recognize racism seems very shallow...

Like I said, there are many people in the US that speak and act in this way.
And in this case, you don't really sense an underlying hatred and condescension, like you see in other depictions of people.

They're just witty and lively characters, that happen to speak with a heavy deep-south accent. Nothing mean spirited or negative.



Now, if this was the only depiction of white people, or in this case poor, rural whites, it'd be pretty unfair. (which it kinda is, since there isn't much to counter it) Even if you could argue that there are people like this in the US.

*It's not as friendly as The Beverly Hillbillies was. (which wasn't bigoted at all, as far as I could tell)

Many other stereotypical depictions of rural whities are downright hateful.

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I made a point to grab up one of these before someone noticed the problem:

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This is all just hopeless. Maybe, some day in the distant future, we can put this all into perspective and realize that it is just history and culture. In the meantime, don't take a date to any performances of The Taming of the Shrew.

I am forced to agree with Green: "But again, I don't think Free Speech, no matter what's being said is realistically doable any time soon."

It just is not possible. Maybe it never was, but it certainly isn't now. Before, you couldn't say the F-word. Now, you can't say the N-word. The Overton window never gets bigger. 🎜 It just keeps rolin along
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