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Download-Gallup poll: 50% want UBI and expect....


But expect AI companies to pay them. Bwah hah hah hah hah! http://news.gallup.com/reports/226475/gallup-northeastern-university-artificial-intelligence-report-2018.aspx
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It might not be a bad idea. Market economies depend on the production and consumption/ use of goods and services. Since more or less the Neolithic period this cycle of production and consumption has been mediated by the circulation of some kind of money. Even in an age of abundance money is going to be necessary for calculating what work should be done and how best to do it.

Although the production/consumption cycle is fundamentally important to market economics, nowhere is it written that human beings have to be active participants in all aspects of the economy. The notion that we have to earn money by actively working in the production of goods and provision of services, and that ‘benefits’ should be handed out grudgingly if at all, is a throwback from an earlier age where there was no alternative to having people perform the tasks needed to keep the economy going, and our productive capabilities were hardly capable of providing a reasonable standard of living for all from birth.

Robots do not care about being paid wages. They can be made to want to work on our behalf for free (though, as I mentioned before, a monetary system of some kind or other will still be required). The simplest transition from our jobs-prioritising current system to one in which most jobs could be offloaded to smart technology, would be for robots to produce the wealth required to pay everyone a guaranteed income, thereby freeing everybody from the burden of money anxiety and providing us all with the opportunity to be value creators. It would be a step toward freedom, something which is currently held back by the fact that one’s ability to earn a living can be held hostage and used to ‘persuade’ you to accept a raw deal.

The only other alternatives will be for us to give up being wholly biological human beings and become increasingly post-human as we constantly upgrade in an ongoing struggle to keep ahead of robots and AI and the accelerating pace of technological change (which might not sound too bad to ardent transhumanists) or to head for a future in which all the world’s wealth is concentrated into the hands of 1% or less, while the rest must endure a life of hopelessness amidst the obese wealth of the few.
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I am so far from an economist, or a big brain, as to be laffable Ex. Having said this, the pdf misses on what or how we make UBI possible. As the rush of robots overwhelms us. The UK, I expect, will do quite well, with this because I view your national means of coping, soldiering-on, etc, as doing this: Meeting in a Pub, every day at 5:00 pm, for cake & ale. Seriously, other drinking nations have notice this. Maybe you guys find it easier to have a stiff upper lip, fortified by Bitters?

Anyway, returning to topic, I think we BOTH leave out Technology, in which it becomes easy to make things from common materials, in hyper-abundance, in order to keep ourselves calm. In this fashion we can cut ourselves large checks per year (Say 100 LB per year, for UK citizens) and maybe 140 K for US residents?

Cheap energy, better technology-you get the idea. CHON. Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen Nitrogen + Iron to make our favorite Robot chums, or to play a Ski Outing to Mons Olympus (Mars)?
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