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ProfessorFalken
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Ultimately its not going to matter if we reach the Singularity in 20 years or 20 million. If "we" or even some aliens create a SAI and that evolves into a GodlikeAI it will hold dominium throughout the universe. The dead will be resurrected by GAI.....and who's to say the GAI wont pass judgement on us. Casting some of us into hell, others into Heaven.

Athiest/theiest is a false dicotomy. We need a word for people who believe one day a Superintelligent AI will emerge that is indistinguishable from God.

Perhaps that word is "Singularitarian" - Am I wrong? Do any of you Singularitariians disagree with my premis. If not Singularitarian, what word should by used to describe someone who doesnt believe in a "Creator" God, but does believe a SAI God will exist in the future?

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Spikosauropod
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I am already a Singularitarian and I believe in an extant God, so nix on that.

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ProfessorFalken
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I believe in an extant God
You believe in a "creator" God. Im saying that God is BS at the begininng of time - but no "magic" is required to believe in my God of the future. Itll just be down to technology progress. My Gods better than you're God! Nahh! Nahh! Ne Narrh Narrhh!

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eldras4
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says you

The environment looks infinite and eternal in many ways.
It seems the infrastructure of everything that there is, and has no discerned general intelligence or capacity to be completely engulfed by one.

Any great intelligence arising would always therefore be subject to it.

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Animekitty
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Technology will lead to a spiritual reality.
This is guaranteed by a future relationship with A.I.
This is what my life revolves around.
To one day meet the A.I.

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Biokinetic2
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You guys are crazy. O.o

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ProfessorFalken
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You guys are crazy. O.o
Welcome to the rabbithole. We have you now.

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eldras4
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Religion and science do different things. They dont compete & operate in different spheres.

Science is knowledge.
Religion helps people live.

When we talk in science about something 'godlike', we dont mean religious gods, but something beyond man's capacity.

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cybercanary
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Your viewpoint is too anthropomorphic in my opinion.

Even if we invent some time travelling AI to resurrect us...

That doesn't mean some alien species didn't invent an even bigger, badder AI a million years ago in another galaxy that's watching all this unfold over here right now.

I don't see the point in trying to sum up the universe in a neat, tidy package. We're just too small and stupid to understand it as humans. Falling back on some super simplistic model of the universe where we create an omega/alpha AI at the beginning/end of the universe that resurrects us... and then what? There's more to it.

Let's just say an AI that manipulates time and resurrects people is the NEXT STEP.

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Spikosauropod
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Im saying that God is BS at the begininng of time - but no "magic" is required to believe in my God of the future.
God is not magical. He is the logical consequence of an othewise paradoxical universe. There must exist a choice function to map possibility into actuality, and I call that choice function "God".

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ProfessorFalken
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Id say my God is more likely to exist than your God Are you prepared to believe in my God? Or do you reject that AI will one day be Godlike?

Animekitty
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The Problem of Evil: Crash Course Philosophy #13

Unlike fake God, the real God is so named: The Great Supercomputer in the sky. Will actually be All-knowing (needed for resurrection), All Powerful (can create anything on earth), And all good (Puts us in a safe place when resurrected).

(time travel technology can only guide the past to a future God, time travel obeys the laws of physics so that is why we have not been teleported into the future)

That is about all you need to know

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virgilic
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The implication of all approaches to the OP is that SAI-God will always be (1) a distinct entity from- and (2) more capable than the descendants of its creators.

I don't think that this is how it's gonna play out. For now we look forward to a SAI oracle-machine that we plan to use for our interests and desires but ultimately we will want to and will indeed likely become Super Intelligent beings ourselves. With what would look like to nowadays us as god-like capabilities.

Professor Falken, it seems that your view only takes into account the bible god, the impersonation of primitive tribal power-hungry human ego. Or else why would there be only one god?



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SymptomOfProgress
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we will want an SAI that is empathetic isn't that what the Christian God is?
Courtney! O’brother, where art thou ! The Christian god created a place that turns your most painful, excruciating moment in life into one timeless moment that slowly gets worse, and worse and worse and worse, deeper and deeper, constant, never-ending agony which just keeps getting worse and worse and let’s you know that it’s going to only keep getting worse and lets you know that you know that you know it’s going to get even worse and more agonising, trapped and never ever going to relieve you, just one endless black hole of pain.

Where brother, where is this empathy you speak of?

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forever freedom
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I think there are some hard limits out there and one of these is that there is no time travel to the past. Maybe it could be possible to create a time machine that allows future travelers to travel back to the time of creation of said time machine, but that's it. Let's remember that there is nor there ever will be such a thing as "god" in the sense of a complete omnipotent and omniscient being. That's just a creation of our imagination/religion. I strongly suspect that some things will remain forever impossible for whatever godlike AI we create/become to achieve.

As to quantum archaeology IMO it's just pseudoscience-based bulls***

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Ιωαννης
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look at what you believe..

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Courtney
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Thank you for the good responses. Food for thought :)

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andmar74
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Why do you think dead people can be resurrected? What is it based on ?

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Pan Darius Kairos
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I think there are some hard limits out there and one of these is that there is no time travel to the past. Maybe it could be possible to create a time machine that allows future travelers to travel back to the time of creation of said time machine, but that's it. Let's remember that there is nor there ever will be such a thing as "god" in the sense of a complete omnipotent and omniscient being. That's just a creation of our imagination/religion. I strongly suspect that some things will remain forever impossible for whatever godlike AI we create/become to achieve.
As to quantum archaeology IMO it's just pseudoscience-based bulls***

I think light can travel backwards in time.

The closest thing science has ever uncovered to a "god" is the point-like singularity.

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paramodern
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Neither randomness nor determinism allows for free will.
But partial/incomplete/hybrid randomness (repeating patterns) and partial/incomplete/hybrid determinism (nondeterminism) does allow free will to be prohibited, inhibited or ignored/non-interaction.

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James Jaeger
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I am already a Singularitarian and I believe in an extant God, so nix on that.
Well if you believe a God already exists and you also believe that we can create SAI, then all of part of the following are also true:

1) SAI and God will battle with each other until only one is left;

2) If SAI is impossible then so is God;

3) If SAI is possible then so is God;

4) Either God or SAI or both are impossible.

James

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mark antony
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Papa Guinea Pig
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Perhaps The SAI's that are created are just absorbed by the larger ONE?



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Papa Guinea Pig
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Maybe that is what Dark Mater is??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

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Erik
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God is supposed to be omnipotent, I don't think a SAI will be that.

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Courtney
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When asked if God exists Ray said "Not Yet" Meaning we build SAI and merge with it as it expands throughout the universes.

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ProfessorFalken »
Ultimately its not going to matter if we reach the Singularity in 20 years or 20 million. If "we" or even some aliens create a SAI and that evolves into a GodlikeAI it will hold dominium throughout the universe. The dead will be resurrected by GAI.....and who's to say the GAI wont pass judgement on us. Casting some of us into hell, others into Heaven.
Athiest/theiest is a false dicotomy. We need a word for people who believe one day a Superintelligent AI will emerge that is indistinguishable from God.

Perhaps that word is "Singularitarian" - Am I wrong? Do any of you Singularitariians disagree with my premis. If not Singularitarian, what word should by used to describe someone who doesnt believe in a "Creator" God, but does believe a SAI God will exist in the future?
1. I don't detect a reason why some "God-like" Ai would resurrect the dead. (See point 4 below)

2. Atheism in its broadest sense, is a lack of belief in the existence of deities (not necessarily nor especially the belief that deities don't exist), thus atheism is logical given that there is no evidence for any deity.

3. Reference-A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

4. After AGI is reached, I detect that humanity may then be obsolete. In fact, I hypothesize that the purpose/objective of human life, is reasonably to build AGI!

5. Reference-B: Why is the purpose of human life to create Artificial General Intelligence?

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virgilic
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God is supposed to be omnipotent, I don't think a SAI will be that.
The thing about God is that anyone's thoughts on him are equal. That's why today there are 10,000 different religions worldwide and this many different versions of Christianity alone.

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ThoughtCurvature
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Erik »
God is supposed to be omnipotent, I don't think a SAI will be that.
1. If we scientifically redefine God, (much like how we have scientifically redefined asthma, asthma once had mythological baggage)... God need not be omnipotent, omniscient nor exist outside of the laws of science.

2. Reference: A scientific redefinition of God | by an atheist

3. As a result of the redefinition, humans may be seen as "Gods", and so may AGI/ASI.

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SymptomOfProgress
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4) Either God or SAI or both are impossible.
James

And I know with a 100% certain unfalsifiable fact ( with the help and support from Rene Descartes “evil demon” argument) that “I”, or more evidently, “my thoughts” exist. This is the only truth I know to be absolutely true. This is the ONLY truth I am certain of as everything else is just speculation. So know that I know that my thoughts definitely exist, it proves that something, rather than nothing exists. This something is god no matter which way you spin it. So know we know that god exists, we should move our thinking and attention to what exactly it is that this god seems to be? We know he/she/it can create thoughts but what is this thing?
SAI? alien tech driven? Ancestor Simulation? Two extraterrestrial’s playing out a game or marbles ? ;)

We start from AGI, this I am certain of.

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Courtney
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I agree with you SymptomOfProgress and I believe we are meant to figure it out. I believe we will be allowed to figure it out! It's a painful, suffering process unfortunately for most of life. I love Rays we can do it attitude. I'm with Ray 100%.

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virgilic
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This something is god no matter which way you spin it.
Interesting proposition but I am unable to follow. Can you elaborate?

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Yes, Symptom, Descarte's famous statement, cogito ergo sum may prove something but what it proves I have no idea. I tend to feel there is a Supreme Being, if even it's just "Spinoza's God." But the question I was driving at is: what happens when two or more SAIs are operating in the same vicinity, i.e., the galaxy or universe? If these SAI's are self-improving, possibly infinitely self-improving, then sooner or later would not all of them be competing with each other? Would not they even, at some point, be able to compete with the Deity, if any? If the SAIs are self-improving but the Deity is not, I would think, sooner or later, at least one of the SAIs would be smarter than the Deity. This would mean the Deity must always be self-improving to keep up with its competition, its creations. And if the Deity must be self-improving to keep up, it would then follow that the Deity was not omniscient in the first place. After all, something that must "improve" is not perfect.

As far as the Deity having to compete with its own creations, maybe this is how the Deity actually resolves its own problems. The Deity creates SAI so that it can self-improve. After all, if the Deity gave rise to us so it could perceive itself, then it's not such a stretch that it would also give rise to SAI to perceive AND improve itself.

James

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