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Even the Guardian critizes socialist Venezuela


By socialist I mean communist, as in Soviet Socialism, Stalinism, Maoism.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/venezuela-looting-violence-food-shortages

LOOT OR STARVE

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Spud,

I claim no special insight on this, but I thought things were going to get worse when I saw a pic from there a day or two ago.

A long line, but almost all looked clean and in good clothes. A middle class looking woman was walking a small dog past the long line.

I thought everybody looked too good.

That meant to me, that it was going to get much worse, because if people looked this good, they had some way to fall.

Looting? Of course. I have read in an article over a week ago that rats were being hunted out in the sewers of Caracas. That dog should have been rotating over a spit suspended over a grill.

And of course it will. Maduro and his troops will have fighting to do to maintain control. It will drag out for quite a while yet.

Pres Trump, via his man Rex may have plans to cut the misery short. I doubt it though. So much anti-American politics down there that I think the surrounding Govs are willing to see the Venezuelans suffer for a while longer before calling Rex for some talks.
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Not so long ago, a question was asked on the political debate show, ‘Any Questions’’. ‘Is the collapse of Carillion the final nail in the coffin of capitalism”?

I think we can look to Communism and say for certain that the collapse of Carillion will not be the final nail in the coffin of Capitalism. You could not have a more disastrous experiment than the Communist experiment. Nevertheless, there are still people who believe in it. In the UK the leader of the opposition and his Shadow chancellor are both Marxists who would like nothing more than to bring back Nationalised transport, utilities and more. This, despite the fact that nationalised industries positively haemoraged money and put Britain into the position where the IMF had to ‘look at the books’ before agreeing a loan (something that usually happens only to third-world countries).

If people can believe in Communism despite the enormous harm it caused, I think we can safely assume that faith in Capitalism will survive the occasional bubbles, Ponzi schemes, frauds and other harmful aspects that inevitably arise in a system based on competing to obtain more wealth by whatever method can be gotten away with. It ain’t perfect, but it’s better than the Commie alternative (Zeitgeist is of course not communist and we don’t yet know if it is superior).
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Well, the elites impose communism and people go hungry. This occurred in the soviet union and china. Was there hunger and starvation before this? Absolutely! However, in mature capitalism, this never happens because of access to research and development. When the Ruling Class successfully closes off access to knowledge and technology, people go hungry, as in pre-revolutionary france, (Brian Fagan), as in the British Empire in India, China, and Ireland-19th century phenomena. Also, I will throw in (not British rule) Uganda.Their own fault this time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uipvLoTkJN8
LOOK EX! Its Thomas the Tank Engine Harvesting Barley for all!!!

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Extro and Spud,

That Carillon ref got me, so I looked it up. Amazing that Socialist tinged thinking has moved along so far in GB - home of the Scottish Enlightenment, fergoshshakes! - that a corrupt Gov - business arrangement would in some way support the idea that Capitalism in some way was implicated as a theory.

Thanks for that glimpse into a moment of UK oddness. We certainly share that kind of leadership weirdness on both sides of "the pond."

You both are the future of the comfy knowledgeable in the Anglophere, be it Nigeria middle and upper classes, or the comfy 80% in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, and over 80% in Hong Kong, Singapore, S Korea, Japan and Taiwan.

We already accept that people should be given a chance to do some entrepreneurial effort. So while a semblance of a modern economy where profit is made, taxed and spent still exists, we will keep that going and will continue on.

A bunch of us are mature, modern Utopians at least in that we really consider them possible, today, even without AI watchdogs for repeats of the historical norms of psychotic abuse to be found throughout those.

We range from Ray, hoping to become a disembodied Ray in the Cloud, to Extro alrady half-way there in 2nd Life today, and Spud way ahead of my considering our automated, "Wonderful World it Will Be." I beleive it will be, if we can keep it from fractionating in its current, Western World fascination with Multi-Culti disestablishment of Western-Civ in favor of - what? Islamo-civ?

That is one cultural fissure that appears to be playing out throughout the West right now, as most of our public opinion shies away from any discussion of it due to what all know will be a call of "Islamophobia" and a quickly followed call of "racism."

So to shy away from it myself, I will simply say that we are billions in the world, and the world pop is likely to stabilize and fluctuate in the 8-10 billion range as India nad China "fill out" and raise their "lowest" as the US and UK did generations ago.

If the most developed countries across the world can maintain a non totalitarian state, as opposssed to the majority model in the Islamic world, and Russia and China - then we reach our "Abundance." We will be able to handle a UBI or some other acceptable "care" of all.

But in a world of billions, with the internet spreading almost all 21st century knowledge to all of it - it is highly likely that large - terror level destruction from non-State, or at least State-deniable groups will get worse. It will be possible with chemical means of making high explosives will become more common, due to our higher tech. And so will mass disorder with chemical means of making many biological neurochemicals that could wreak havoc.

These are world-cultural milestones that may actually be crossed soon. The ingredients are certainly there.

Do nihilistic groups exist, that could maintain enough order to fund and disperse the chemical that results?

As our numbers on Earth grow into more billions, and the dysfunctional "hey, lets hate these peeps and those peeps" ideologies keep getting pushed out of developed country thought centers - our Universities - can there be any doubt that idealistic youth will decide here and there to destroy the "guilty evil ones?"

Cue the "monkey-wrench gang" and "Symbionese Liberation Army." Get your lines updated from the Girl! You are about to be called onto the set.

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