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Still though, even a small chance of it working is more of a chance of survival than the alternative.
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I will be hanging out with God like I do now!
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Still though, even a small chance of it working is more of a chance of survival than the alternative.


I would like to live a very long time. I would like to think that there is a life after death. However, if it turns out that there really is no afterlife, death would be a nice way to end the illusion once and for all. Non existence could be really low stress.

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Still though, even a small chance of it working is more of a chance of survival than the alternative.


I would like to live a very long time. I would like to think that there is a life after death. However, if it turns out that there really is no afterlife, death would be a nice way to end the illusion once and for all. Non existence could be really low stress.



Best case scenario, cryonics preserves your consciousness into the future. Worst case scenario, you're dead just like without cryonics. Cryonics doesn't stop you from experiencing an afterlife or non-existence, it just has the chance of delaying it. Seems like a no-lose scenario if you can afford it.
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Cryonics doesn't stop you from experiencing an afterlife or non-existence,


Your reasoning is not obviously wrong. Even I have argued that if you have a soul that is separate from your body it could "hop-scotch" over periods when you are unconscious or technically dead. Why couldn't it hopscotch over much longer stretches. Therefore, being resuscitated from cryonic preservation would not prove that there is no afterlife. Therefore, you would not necessarily be resurrected with a new cynical understanding of death. You would be, in the philosophical sense, right where you left off.

Of course Christians mostly believe in a resurrection of the flesh. In other words, it is not a separate part of you that is resurrected, but your flesh and blood body. That sort of resurrection could be accomplished just as well from a temporarily frozen corpse as from one that is immediately cremated or left to rot. Therefore, you would not likely be interfering with your natural ability to resurrect.

I just feel that Cryonics is a lot of trouble for an essentially cynical purpose. If death is final, and I happen to die, I would just as soon have it done with. It is said that dead men tell no tails. Neither do they entertain them. If there is an afterlife, I will be glad to partake of it. If there is no afterlife, even a very long life will ultimately be futile. I am not certain there is a God, but if there is no God, there certainly is no cure for entropy. I don't agree that life is a joke, but I am always receptive to the notion. Being cryonically preserved would be crossing the line from being receptive to the notion to endorsing it.

No cryonics for me.

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The Egyptians explored several ways to achieve ‘immortality’, including ‘immortality’ through fame. It could be argued that one or two of them were pretty successful in this regard. After all, we are still familiar with names like Ramses II and Cleopatra.
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>being a human meatbag, I can't help but feel like I need the ol' Ship of Theseus transition into another state or substrate to be cool with it<

Let us imagine that you have a photograph of you as a small child. But in what sense is that person in the photo ‘you’? The person you are now has experienced things that person did not; you have memories that child never had. What is more, every molecule in your body is different. So, really, apart from remembering being that child (probably very vague memories for the most part) you are not the same person. The person in the photo is now gone and all that remains of them are memories, of which yours are perhaps the most vivid.

If it were your upload holding that photo, that person would have as much right to claim ‘that is me’ as you do. After all, they possess identical memories to you, right?

RedQ asked why you should only preserve the head. The reason why is because the body contains organs that could help save other lives. There are people out there who need a transplant heart or kidney or liver. If brain-only cryonics can work then it is just selfish to unnecessarily hoard all those extra organs too. Let others who need them use them.
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Yep, I can agree with that for the most part. I've tried to see things this way.

But then, if I awoke one day, with no memory of who I am or was, I'd still consider myself me. A confused and panicky me, but still me.
All of the structures that were formed with those experiences may still be intact.. and my brain may still operate on those... or not. I'd be me with no skills. If that information was copied and uploaded, and erased from my brain, I still see the upload as the copy with my stolen memories and experiences.
If I were implanted with someone else's memories, I'd still consider it me, making decisions and acting on them, just with new experience input.

I don't disagree though, technically. It's just a comfort thing I guess.
Even if it were proven that biology is a big part of the equation, a microprocessor could have organic components to it. Just very durable, robust organic, subsidized with other wiring.
Hypothetical nanobots of some sort could go to work in small parts of the brain unbeknownst to you, and convert it as you live your life, until you're a fully hybridized entity-on-a-chip....

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