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Is anyone here considering Cryonics?


Or thought about it?

I've been thinking about this subject lately.. So I was wondering how you folks felt about this.
I know Extropia has said she doesn't feel the need for her primary once she's "out" of her human confinement, and in a way I find that inspiring, and might feel the same way at some point.
However, being a human meatbag, I can't help but feel like I need the ol' Ship of Theseus transition into another state or substrate to be cool with it. (And I know of Spiko's Non-locality, as an additional ingredient)

Ideally, nanobots would repair the cells cell-by-cell and rebuild the connectome to the best of its ability. Maybe it'd remove and rebuild as it goes, growing a new connectome using the raw material of the original to build the new cells, subsidized with any additional material needed. (Maybe with better designed neurons)
So is this "you"?
Physical material, connectome copy (more or less) dna, etc..

Like the Ship of Theseus thought experiment, but more like a sandcastle built with the same sand, (grain by grain) built from extremely detailed blueprints, plus DNA, plus maybe any and all information you may have compiled outside of your head.

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I've read a number of articles attacking cryo patients as being arrogant self-important douchbags.. Or stupidly wasting money that could have gone to research of some sort, or whatever soapbox rant people decide to go on. Obviously everyone is a caricature to some people. (Plus, Cryonics Institute is actually pretty cheap)

Personally, this isn't me at all. My life has been miserable for the most part, and many of my memories of it are only necessary insofar as I feel like I need them for some form of continuity.

And I know that by the time this sort of "recovery" would actually be possible, an AI+nanobots would likely be capable of pulling into the city dump, sorting out garbage into bricks of raw material, and using those to build a team of fully authored, totally awesome superhero-like characters from scratch, that are far and away more interesting than any of us ever were...("Oh Spiderman? he's real now.. And meet the Mario Brothers and Gandalf too..)

I know this. I've thought about this..

However, if bringing us back is a quick drop in a vat, why not? I doubt there'd be much "cost" to doing it. (assuming it's possible) Then just update and upgrade to bring current humans up-to-speed.

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As you observe, my philosophical leanings preclude any promise of cryogenic preservation.

I have never heard the argument that people who have themselves preserved are being selfish. Live and learn.

I hope to remain living for a very long time in my present form. I am convinced that it will soon be possible to perform a restoration of a human brain in a way that does not change it in any critical way and preserves the home of one's spirit.

However, if that is not possible, I will just go to meet my maker a little ahead of schedule.

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Depends on whether I have the money to afford it when I get old and/or sickly. I'm not confident that it would work, but it's not like I can take the money with me if it doesn't.
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Spikosauropod: I have never heard the argument that people who have themselves preserved are being selfish. Live and learn.

Yeah, its anecdotal though. I did read a couple articles framing it this way, and it crops up pretty regularly in comments sections on Reddits and whatnot. I could search selfish and cryonics and find some, but that would probably be confirmation bias on my part. Maybe not the norm.
I don't discount the possibility of there being some other ingredient btw. (quantum or otherwise) I have read some of your philosophy, and I'll look into it more when I have time.

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I don't think these Cryonics folks have thought their way through this stuff..
 Like, do they give permission for the AI to be *creative if it can't recreate everything properly? It's not likely to want to keep them at current human-level for long anyway, I assume. Unless it's to stick them in a zoo. (which would be silly)

*I would at least take as much collective information as possible for an AI to use as a template to work from... maybe on disk. As video, pictures, audio, and writing. (Art work, forum posts, blogs, text messages, Email, messenger / Twitter history, (and other social media junk) Books, magazines, tv shows, movies, etc.. and opinions about them. As well as education and full dna information.
If it's gonna be a copy, it might as well be as good as possible.

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They need to do proof of principle first. Freeze and revive somebody healthy, then if those with illnesses want cold sleep, let them decide. We could crowd fund the needy.

Like nuclear fusion, it has to !@#$ work in the first place. The head freeze seems insane to me, because if you have a body, why not use it? Bad planning, and still no human trials??? Meh!
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A decade ago I considered cryogenics as an escape hatch. Now I realize it is merely a path to zombieland. Not for me.

When and if you are revived, it won't be you and it will be for a reason that will horrify you.
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quote:

it won't be you and it will be for a reason that will horrify you.


Ancient pharaohs had themselves interred with the intention that their burial places be considered sacred. Modern archaeologists never even consider the notion that they are actually desecrating and robbing graves. They don't see the ancient pharaohs as humans whose rights need to be protected. They see them as serendipitous archaeological opportunities. The contemporary unpersoning of ancient remains should give pause to anyone considering cryogenics.

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Yep. One of the things that is emphasized in these companies, is that the people involved in them are patients themselves. They have a vested interest in making sure everything stays on the up and up, and the facilities are maintained.
But, I would assume that technology to revive people (assuming it becomes possible) is much farther off than life extension and medical science for the living. Enough so, that those running the companies in the future, may not be so worried about dying themselves.. So then, you'd be left in the care of people who don't really feel like their interests are tied with those who're preserved.

The only thing you might be able hope for, is that automation and robotics might make it simple to keep these facilities operational without much human effort.

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