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From AI (thinking) to AEI (feeling)


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If we can barely create AI, how much less AGI!

And since we will never create AGI ("G" implying sentience), how much much less AEI!

Emotions transcend mere physicality; they derive from a non-biological nature, ie the spiritual soul! And they require a very specific type of physical substrate (biological flesh) to receive them and be moved by these specific disturbances/excitements or ex-movere of the spiritual soul!

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Emotion, "mid 16th century (denoting a public DISTURBANCE or commotion): from French émotion, from émouvoir ‘EXCITE,’ based on Latin emovere, from e- (variant of ex- ) ‘out’ + movere ‘move.’ The sense ‘MENTAL AGITATION’ dates from the mid 17th century, the current general sense from the early 19th century."
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And by the way, AI is not "thinking", but mere "mechanical recognition" of objects and things! (Or I should've said, the mechanical recognition of the 'physical shape of' objects and things!)



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It is true that AI will never have true emotional intelligence. In a sense, it will be like the ultimate psychopath: interpreting and responding to emotions without having any actual empathy. However, as a mechanical process, interpreting and responding to emotions should be fairly straight-forward.

You blur intelligence and awareness together in a way that causes you to miss the real distinction. Intelligence is the processing of information and machines will probably be able to do it much better than people. They still will not have any inner life. They will not be conscious. They will not have souls.

If we are going to save the world from the blight of machine "rights" and the illusion of uploading, it is important that we make this distinction early. We may have a long battle in front of us, and we need to establish our field position carefully.

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Spikosauropod,

It was not me who blurred intelligence and awareness together. The two words have always been associated with each other, looong before I was born!

If you look at the word's Origin and History, you'll find that awareness has always been an implied and stated part of its meaning. That is why whenever we use that word in reference to anything else (ie, animals), we are always implying and stating awareness in them. So, since this is the case, let's not use a word that already has its own meaning to some thing else, to which that meaning does not apply! That is a sure way to confuse ourselves.

So I agree with you in that we must make an early distinction as to avoid a long (psychological and emotional) battle with our own selves. We still use the word intelligence when we talk to our children and try to explain to them about the inner working of THEIR mind and internal living nature. So if we use the same word for machines, we're going to confuse our children, and children's children in thinking that perhaps this machine may also have some inner life, ie, an AI soul and mind too. That would be leaving a very bad, damaging, and corrupting legacy for them. That is why I opt to use the words "mechanical recognition".

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The original use of the term "intelligence" has the same flaw as the term "magenta". Now that we understand the spectrum, we realize that the term describes a construct rather than a state. Similarly, now that we realize intelligence is a construct, we can separate it from the state of consciousness.

Just like children (and many adults) think that magenta is a real color, they will think that machines really feel. Our job is to protect them from the consequences of the false identification.

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Now that we understand gravity, we realize that the term has relatively limited application. Only when we are fairly close to the ground does it apply.



"Relatively"
Now, this word alone brings down your argument Spikosauropod. We are always close to the ground! I don't know when was the last time any one of us from the mass was not "fairly close to the ground"! And that's exactly my point: we have no other frame of reference "fairly close to the ground" BUT the ground! All our man-operated flying machines fly "fairly close to the ground"! In fact (correct me if I'm wrong), I hear that even those satellites are using some sort of propulsion to keep themselves from FALLING DOWN to the ground! and that eventually, they all will fall down to the ground!

Likewise, there is no flaw in the original use of the term "intelligence". That word was in fact invented by intelligent human beings to refer to themselves and other living beings with life and inner mental activity! So the human is still "relatively" the reference point for the definition of intelligence because of his animated, soulish nature! If something lacks this nature, well, it is NOT intelligent relative to the original meaning AND application of the word. We MUST use some other word to define it, like 'mechanical recognition'.
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I used a poor analogy. I corrected it before I realized you had responded.
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alright, no problem.

But what do you mean by "the term describes a construct rather than a state."? Isn't magenta a color? (just seeking some elucidation)
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Magenta is an extra spectral color.

The color green exists as a specific color in the spectrum, but it is also perceived when the spectral colors of blue and yellow are mixed. The color magenta is perceived when violet and red are mixed, but it does not exist on the spectrum. Magenta is only a construct. It is not an actual wavelength of light.

Similarly, intelligence does not exist. It is merely an arrangement of data. It is a construct. Consciousness exists as a state.

I apologize if I am unclear. I am kind of doing this on the run today.
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