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With the cops/cell phones example, you are comparing two separate things. Unsubstantiated rumors and actual recorded testimonials.


There are plenty of videos out there of abusive cops. That isn't unsubstantiated rumors, it is video "evidence" just the same as your "actual recorded testimonials".

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"There are plenty of videos out there of abusive cops."

Um, yes, videos of events are, in many cases, reliable video evidence to be used in a Cop shooting.

In the majority of cases they are ruled as a "good shoot" - justified.

In a minority of cases the video does not simply confirm a "shoot" as kosher.

In those cases the "shoot" is investigated, almost always in a glare of much publicity and with the "system" lined up to condemn the Cop and pay off the family of the person who is now dead.

It is really stretching to try to make some case that video is simply not good evidence, it thats where you were going. Hey, really, if you feel that this "walk away" movement is trivial, cool.

Nobody is under some obligation to support it or believe it is important.

But consider - if this new "walk away" thing is real, it is really another reaction against some kind of PC. Calling these Red Pill vids uses that "Matrix" phrase. That phrase has been used for some time now to describe people reacting against PC to pull part-way or all the way from the Dems.

"Walk away," is big and bad or a flash in the pan. Either way, it's coming at a time when PC is very strong with the Dems.

And who is it who have always been the pallbearers - uh, bearers of the most cutting edge PC for the Dems? Why, its the Progressives!

Top Dems have tried to reign in Progressives for decades, and got exposed by Wikileakes this last time.

They have only made a few token efforts to reign in the Progressives since. They are riding the back of a tiger - the young dudes and dudettes are almost all radicals, now.

I look forward to seeing how the top Dems try to sell that to America this upcoming Nov. Heh heh.
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It is really stretching to try to make some case that video is simply not good evidence, it thats where you were going.



Its like you're willfully trying to misunderstand me. That isn't what I was saying at all, it is in fact exactly the opposite. Video evidence absolutely can be proof of wrongdoing, and now that just about every American carries around a camera with them it is inevitable that eventually a bad cop gets recorded. This video will be signal boosted by social media and traditional media, and it will warp people's perceptions of cops as a whole. You don't see the videos of the million good cops, who just do their job and protect and serve. The videos are real, but not necessarily representative of the group as a whole. The videos are single data points, and when people focus on them they miss the forest for the trees.

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More broadly stated, video testimony or other video evidence may tell you many things, accurate or not.

Cases are specific to various issues and events.

The many "eyes on cops" now serve in some cases to create what came in Ex Pres Obamas' term to be called "the Ferguson effect."

Cops see that in a given area, if they get out of their squad car, they will be surrounded by a crowd of local peeps holding smartphones in their faces.

The Ferguson effect - they stop getting out of the car unless some dire need presents. Thus, zero "proactive policing," and more crime:

"The Ferguson Effect gained some credibility recently when a crime researcher who had previously suggested it did not exist reversed himself. University of Missouri-St. Louis criminologist Richard Rosenfeld announced last month, “The only explanation that gets the timing right is a version of the Ferguson effect.”

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More broadly stated, video testimony or other video evidence may tell you many things, accurate or not.


It is really more about the danger of extrapolating from limited data points. A video can tell you a lot about a specific event, but not necessarily much about whether or not that event is indicative of a larger trend.

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The Ferguson effect - they stop getting out of the car unless some dire need presents. Thus, zero "proactive policing," and more crime:


I'm sure that happens, but it is even worse than that. Areas with the highest crime are also areas that tend to stigmatize giving any information to cops, even when they're the victim of crime. This makes it incredibly hard for cops to actually pursue justice, so the crime keeps happening and the same people who won't talk to cops will complain that the cops don't help.
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Sure, some of the lack of cooperation is generally felt cop-Hate that is now added to the White-Hate.

But when you want to see the guy who shot your kid or little sister go to jail, stigma shmigma.

What stops investigations of so many Black inner city crimes is witness intimidation.

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]Russian trolls on Twitter pose as ex-Democrats for #WalkAway movement

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Data available through Hamilton 68, an analysis project focused on monitoring agitprop and backed by the Alliance for Securing Democracy, shows that swarms of Russian troll accounts made #WalkAway one of the highest ranking hashtags on Twitter in the past 48 hours.

One writer for Arc Digital noticed similar trends and came to the same conclusion.

“The primary functional goal of an astroturfed campaign like this one is to manipulate public opinion by gaming online algorithms to amplify certain content and push it onto people’s social media feeds and to the top of search engine results,” wrote behavioral scientist Caroline Orr.



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At the top of that linked article and to the right, it says in faint gold print that:

"Data suggests Kremlin-affiliated Twitter accounts are boosting the hashtag."

Oh, does "data suggest that?"

It should be easy to show that, not suggest it.

If that is not shown in the next day or so, my doubt that this is accurate will be bolstered.

And why would "the daily dot" - your source - lie? Well, if they are lefties, the same reason so many other lefty news sources have so soundly and roundly earned their "Fake News" reputations in "The Trump Era."
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Apparently ]this is the data the article mentions. I don't know the source, but it seems straightforward enough.

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It "seems" straightforward?

Another "Russian Bot" story appears in "Dem supporting media" and you buy it?

This guy may help convince you otherwise -

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Label: "The Neoliberal DNC Is Still Trying to Declare #WalkAway to be a Kremlin Bot Op"
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