richiemobile
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Southern Baptists call off culture wars will ‘unjoin’ Republicans
If this isn’t a shot across the bow, I don’t know what is.
The Republicans better break out their Army of Preachers soon or things could unravel.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/southern-baptists-call-off-the-culture-war/563000/
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6/18/2018, 10:05 am
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Makes a lot of sense. Anecdotally, I live in the south and I know a lot of southern baptists who seem embarrassed of the Republican party these days.
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Last paragraph:
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Vice President Mike Pence addressed the convention this year, which may seem like the same old song to outsiders. But there was widespread resistance to Pence’s participation. A motion to disinvite the vice president was proposed and debated, but was ultimately voted down. During his address, which hit some notes more typical of a campaign speech, a few Southern Baptists left the room out of protest. Others criticized the move to reporters or spoke out on Twitter. The newly elected Greear tweeted that the invitation “sent a terribly mixed signal” and reminded his fellow Baptists that “commissioned missionaries, not political platforms, are what we do.”
Hardly a strong rebuke. The 5% fringe does not represent the church.
The authors think that an increase in black parishioners will make the Church less Christian, but they are mistaken.
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6/18/2018, 12:04 pm
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So we are now an expert on religio politics are we Spiko,
History is on the Democrats side in the midterms , and Trump has a lot of fires to put out
Which he obviously loves
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6/18/2018, 1:21 pm
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A swing towards less devotion to the Repubs and more members of both old and new who dont like President Trump are signs of change, but -
"...most Southern Baptists remain politically conservative..."
And while many religious peeps don't like Pres Trump for his private life, leaders of the most political Religious peeps supported him anyway for election.
It has been noted that this is the first time they were willing to ignore personal noncompliance with a checklist of personal issues that dont match various religious denominations.
Some of those articles note that this was done because they were looking for a more directly useful Candidate the last time.
They have lost time after time because the guy or gal who accepted their demands lost the Primary or the main event.
So this time they did not prioritise the checklist. Prioritise? Heck, they went for a guy this time, Candidate Trump, who failed their checklist based on his past history.
They said, effectively - "He will do. He has converted into being a devout man who is a religious Christian, and fights hard on the trail, and accepts the political goals we ask for - political support when religious folks are under assault, and fighting abortion."
His SCOTUS nominee showed both - he passed the pro-life test and helped the "baker" survive a major religious-rights lawsuit.
The test here will be if the SBC can resist the call for PC. A gender quota for the group? Look for a contest indeed. The ladies tend to the left, sadly.
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I cited a passage that demonstrates the weakness of the claim. Am I mistaken that the article contains that passage?
Incidentally, I have been watching the congressional hearing on the IG report. It is not looking good for the left. Lindsay Graham was so satisfied that he has an open and shut case that Hillary Clinton is guilty of several felonies and that an anti-Trump conspiracy has been afoot in the FBI and the Justice Department that he finished and walked out.
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"He has converted into being a devout man who is a religious Christian"
lol, lets not pretend like anyone believes that. There is no need to complicate things, they simply saw him, with all of his baggage, as a lesser of two evils. Same reason I voted for Hillary.
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lucid,
I have no special file to quote from, or person knowledge from long conversations between the President and I.
I do remember this being noted during the campaign, though.
If you check the link at the quote I am going to post, you will find an article that says it was briefly discussed during the Campaign.
The article notes that the issue was in doubt due to the evangelist who claimed it, and discussion of it stopped. You missed it, ah reckon, amid the non-stop review of years old stuff that was being rehashed, and the new stuff also from years ago.
Try to recall - zippo on his personal life that was pushed from his recent time.
Here is the quote I noted above - it backs up what I noted about why he was accepted by the Evangelists:
"An interesting choice, because Trump identifies as a Presbyterian.
Absolutely.
I would say that there are no Presbyterian or Methodist or Northern Baptist or Episcopalian or Lutheran. None of those.
In the last election, when we interviewed you in 2012, you said that religion wasn't looking to be as important of an issue in the race between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama.
It seems that maybe it was important in a different way this time with the majority of white Christians, especially evangelicals, voting for Trump. What was different about this election?
Well, this year there is an open seat on the Supreme Court. The person elected in 2016 could appoint perhaps up to four Supreme Court Justices. And that ties in with, of course, overturning Roe v. Wade.
There was also political correctness. Trump ran against that from the very start. If the same concerns were around in the 2012 election, they were muted compared to 2016, when they were frequently mentioned.
Billy Graham’s son, Franklin, head of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, commented on the leaked NBC tape where Trump talks salaciously to Billy Bush about violating women.
It’s not the kind of thing you pass by and think insignificant, Graham said. It’s very serious.
But, Graham told evangelicals, Hillary Clinton and her followers live in a non‑Christian world, and her pro‑abortion stance and the effect she’d have on the Supreme Court are more important than Trump’s moral lapses.
Graham recommended that all evangelicals view a vote for Trump as a vote against Hillary Clinton and matters such as Roe v. Wade.
http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201701/faith-donald-trump-30910
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There you are! So many things came together. Candidate Trump had a fantastic platform out of the gate for a strong base to get roused up. His talent for campaigning is great.
And this religious issue was surely a big help! Add that to how Hillary was so phenomenally vulnerable to the Wikileak surprise. Then that FBI guy, "Romeo," who blew off his "Hillary Email" work to devote himself to Candidate Trump!
Because of that, Anthony "Carlos Danger" Weiners' laptop had not been picked up by the FBI when the NY Cops came calling to investigate Anthony on porn - or something else in the Scurvy Zone.
Then the FBI gets word from their NY Office that the cops tell them they found "Hillary emails" on on the Purvy Laptop. Oy! Gotta declare the investigation open to check the dam* emails. That also means grabbing the laptop from the Cops. There's too much risk that word will leak from the NY Cops about the emails being on the laptop.
What a wonderful mix of events had to come together!
The religious thing was just one of these events from that mix.
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