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Spiko, I've been as calm and civil as is possible, regarding the attitudes, trolling, insults, BS spewing and obfuscation by Doc and Spud.

Not everyone here shares their particular worldviews. Nor should it be expected that everyone does. If they post deliberately inflammatory comments, veiled threats, false information or obfuscation, they should be confronted. The other mods do nothing to stop them spewing BS and insults at those that do not share their worldview.

RedQ, if you want to ban me for confronting their behavior, do so. As I have already mentioned, it seems that this forum has become an echo chamber, where only their worldview is allowed.


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Wayne, I am the only one that can ban anyone. I will never do it without following our protocols.

I want everyone involved to reflect on the previous discussion. Try to find where you went astray.

Also, I recommend that the entire topic be moved to the Netherworld, but that is not my jurisdiction.

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I don't think moving the post to the Netherworld is a good choice. The original post was fine.

Maybe just deleting any post that contains personal insults? It would make it difficult to follow the discussion, and would result in the deletion of legitimate material, but it would be a stiff sanction that might curb the behavior.

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Make it so. You just gave your justification.

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Red, if you just delete the insults, the individual posters can go back and edit them for clarity.

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That would take much more effort. The poster should do that.

If Wayne wants to do that, we can give him a little time. If not posts with personal insults will be deleted in toto.
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RedQ,

Their behavior has been very clear for all to see and I have simply confronted them for it.

Telling someone that they are spewing BS, or that they should WTFU, or that they should pull their head out of their ass, or that they themselves are guilty of that which they accuse others of, or that they are obfuscating, is not insulting them. It specifically is not a personal insult.

I have removed by editing out a sentence, which stated "Spud, you're an idiot." at the start of this post, [sign in to see URL]#post4745 when requested by you, some weeks ago.

BTW, the word "idiot" was allowed at KAI, where Zombiefood constantly simply called anyone that he did not agree with, an idiot, without writing anything else. I used it in a far less insulting way, as in the way you would say it to an acquaintance, when they make a silly statement, before you then take the time to correct them.

You mention here, [sign in to see URL],offset=10#post5523 that "The strength of this forum is going to be its civility", yet Spud and Doc are allowed to spew insults at anyone that does not think like they do. So, if you are going to delete posts "in toto", you need dig through this forum and do so to all their posts also.

Just the posts I've responded to today, already show the insults and lies hurled at others, such as Russians, liberals and environmentalists, by Spud. Also, there is a thread where Doc calls environmentalists "EnviroNuts", [sign in to see URL]

If you think it is fine to do it against these particular people, whilst confronting people for their constant, blatant lies and insults is not allowed, then this is not a forum, but merely an echo chamber, where only one particular ideology/worldview is allowed.


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KAI did allow zombiefood to 'spew' insults against people, especially me. It was, I believe, a major contributor to why the forum died. I won't permit you to engage in that behavior here.

I see you've engaged in the same behavior on a couple threads Spud just posted. I will start deleting your posts when I get the time.

Spike, apparently I can't just delete a post, only go in and edit it. Can you delete individual posts?

Incidentally, all moderators should feel free to erase posts by Wayne that contain personal insults.

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Red, I reviewed this whole discussion. I edited one post by Wayne that seemed over the top. After that, the discussion became toxic, and as far as I can tell, it was just a case of normal healthy tempers flaring at the discovery that the rest of the wold has differentt assumptions.

I am invoking rule 14. In 24 hours, I am going to move this thread to Netherworld. After I move it, I will explain my actions in writing.
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"RedQ: KAI did allow zombiefood to 'spew' insults against people, especially me. It was, I believe, a major contributor to why the forum died. I won't permit you to engage in that behavior here.

I see you've engaged in the same behavior on a couple threads Spud just posted. I will start deleting your posts when I get the time."


No, Zombiefood's insults, or most people's insults, over at KAI, was not a major contributor to why the forum died. It continued until the forum closed. KAI forum closed for whatever reason the owner/management/editor decided, but it certainly was not due to people insulting each other. Nor is that a reason for any forum to die. After all, the problem is solved by unbiased moderation.

The problem here, is that the two people constantly and blatantly spewing trolling, insults and lies against those that do not share their ideology/worldview, are allowed to do so, even being called "valued contributors" for doing so, by you, whilst confronting them for their behavior is seen as the crime instead.

You state that you won't allow me to engage in the same behavior here, as Zombiefood's constantly calling people an "idiot", yet as I have shown above, it was done once, in a much different and less insulting way, whilst I also removed the sentence when asked to.

You even claim that I have engaged in the same behavior as Zombiefood's calling people an "idiot", on several threads recently posted by Spud. That is a lie and an attempt to create the the impression that I am calling Spud an idiot again and in several instances.

There was nothing wrong with the post you deleted. [sign in to see URL]#post5560 It seems that you simply did it to attempt to make the false claims you have now begun with.

Also, take note of what is said by by Spud and Doc, after you deleted the post. They love that you take no action against their insults and lies, whilst targeting me for confronting them.

You even gloat over your ability to delete my posts. [sign in to see URL]#post5579

I reiterate, if you think it is fine for Spud and Doc to do it against these particular people, whilst confronting people for their constant, blatant lies and insults is not allowed, then this is not a forum, but merely an echo chamber, where only one particular ideology/worldview is allowed.

You should then at least be honest and ban me and anyone that does not agree with them, or dares to confront them for their constant blatant lies and insults and make it clear to anyone joining this forum, that only a specific worldview/ideology is allowed and that insults and lies against those that do not share your worldview/ideology are most welcome, promoted and protected.

I doubt that it is what Spiko wanted when he created this forum, but it is what this forum has now become, due to Spud and Doc's behavior and your bias.

Congratulations.


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