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Jack Dorsey Tells Andrew Yang: 'AI is Coming For Programming Jobs'


The rise of artificial intelligence will make even software engineers less sought after. That's because artificial intelligence will soon write its own software, according to Jack Dorsey, the tech billionaire boss of Twitter and Square. And that's going to put some beginning-level software engineers in a tough spot.

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In the USA its overseas that HAS come for US proggie jobs and more, and given to them by boards of directors in the US. I see no street revolutions in the last several years resulting from this class war giveaway, so why should we care if the programs learn to program? No riots now, no riots then, I reckon.
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Link seems to be broken.

Programming has always changed as the tools change. Even if we had a star trek computer, there would be people who trained to be particularly good at interacting with it. Programming will be around at least until we have AGI.

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quote:

Link seems to be broken.


I fixed it.
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To Spud, I would say we should care because there must come a point in this strive to automate jobs where it no longer makes sense to chain people to this ‘mustapha’ job rhetoric. I get the need to coerce the majority into jobs when the great majority of tasks rely on human muscle and brain power, but if AI, robotics and nanotech are as potent as Kurzweil insists they theoretically are, it must be the case that eventually the need to make people labour for wages will be totally unnecessary in terms of keeping the economy running. It would be capable of running itself without human intervention.

At that point, anyone who doesn’t want to job should be able to say ‘there is no need for me to submit to this slavery anymore. The economic machine is now quite capable of supporting me so I should be free to live life in a different way”. Those who do want to job could carry on jobbing as hobbies. After all, nobody needs to sit at a riverbank catching fish anymore, because commercial fishing can provide more than enough supplies (provided we don’t demand so much fish that we catch so many the result is extinction). There’s no practical need to fish but some people do it regardless because they get something out of it beyond commercial necessity. In principle this could be extended to any kind of work. Want to play at CEO? Fine, get yourself a copy of Eve Online and run some big galactic corporation, competing against others who still feel a need to exercise power that way. But leave the rest of us alone to pursue other states of being.

I’m not saying we are at that stage now, only that we could be with sufficient changes not just to technological capabilities but also societal attitudes. And if we should always find ourselves in societies where we are obliged to submit to wage labour, we should ask if this is down to technological progress not being capable of moving us beyond slavery of this kind, or if vested interests have interfered with technological evolution to keep us jobbing way past the practical need for it.
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The success of the Finnish experiment suggests that we should at least conduct our own experiment:

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/06/after-encouraging-results-finnish-ubi-experiment-experts-say-time-such-bold-idea-now


It is important to note that Americans are not like the Finnish and the experiment was conducted among people who knew they may eventually have to return to work. These results are not as "encouraging" as many claim.
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Right Ex, I would guess that based on the multi-national response to the corona virus, we are poorly prepared to deal with the onslaught of AI workers replacing us. We, as a species are just not the brainy. We are not organized for a rapid response to changing economic situaltions driven by improved technology.

Color me pessimistic now.
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I remember once admirable Repub Senator Mike Lee saying that we should bring in as many Indian Programmers as we can to fill all the jobs they can. I can't find the durn clip.

Ah! But here's a fine one from Lou Dobbs slapping Mike around back in January. It describes his longing to get a "lets bring in lots o' Indian workers bill" passed

Those workers are tech workers, not day-laborers. Lee wants to give them all Green Cards:






Lou says that on Twitter, some call Lee "the Senator from Mumbai"



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