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The 50 Most violent cities on Earth-St. Louis at #13


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5481483/42-worlds-50-violent-cities-South-America.html
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Hm. Why almost all in the Western Hemisphere?

There must be some bombed-out places in Syria that are much more violent.

How about ISIS-controlled cities?

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Red,

"This looks wrong - this map - how'd they get here?"

One reason would go in both directions. In NY, Mayor "Big Bird" has see crime stats drop, and he brags that his crime stats show less crime.

Critics point out that the "Big Bird" has been explicitly avoiding arresting people.

Picking someone up is merely detaining them. Arresting is a more rare, very much more involved process. Many are detained. Very few of those detained are then arrested.

When cops release people they detain, even when they are caught in very guilty appearing circumstances, their documention does not show an arrest for the reported crime. Their in fact may not have been a reported crime -
 the guy may have been picked up for suspicious actions. Thus, actual crime may have risen even though, due to less documented crime, the documents we get crime data from show less crime.

Thus - deceptive, incorrect yet official stats. Bad stats.

This may be a problem in many countries. China? Vietnam? Saudi? Who knows what goes on in places where anyone can get picked up, where the "fix is in" whenever "they" want it to be, and absolutely everybody with any intelligence in that country knows it.

I look forward to that aspect of advancing AI - lots more data for all of us who want it, possibly. Of course, that could all go very wrong. But this map certainly is right about many cities in the US today being risky, large and small. Violence is not necessarily going to hit, but now reporting of violent crime is a very deceptive thing.

Violent teen mobs may be reported as simply "boisterous teens." Weirdly, often Cops are not arresting even when they get attacked. This may be a libbo effect of libbo legal schools spitting out generations of judges.

More violent teens noted on this very sourced 2009 site - http://www.teenviolencestatistics.com/content/youth-violence-statistics.html

This site is from 2016, but settles for 2010 stats, which are convincing.

https://www.teenhelp.com/violence-anger/teen-violence-statistics/

So check your area unless you personally know it well. The reporting is very vague, very possibly out of fear of accusations of racism

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/02/26/should-colleges-crime-alerts-include-reference-race-suspects



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More than half of SA’s crimes not reported

https://www.google.com/search?q=police+in+south+africa+underreporting+crime
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Wayne,

Your first link starts with:

"Johannesburg - A total of 1.7 million, or 52 percent, of crimes committed in South Africa went unreported in 2011.

This is according to the SA Institute of Race Relations, which released a report on Tuesday saying the figures included 82 000 unreported house robberies and 8 000 hijackings.

The report was based on the Victims of Crime Survey compiled by Statistics SA and based on 31 000 households across all provinces."

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I pasted enough to show that it at least looks like a reliable stat. Comparing that to the officially reported number means that the already very worrying large crime stats are much worse.

We have the same thing in the US. Official stats which are wonderful but easy to show as lies from NYC, or more hard to find lies.

Much is not given about this in regular mass media. It is reported, but in small media markets and books that get little publiciy.

Until now, and the web. Now it is widely available. As here:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/vnrp0610pr.cfm

"WASHINGTON – More than half of the nation’s violent crimes, or nearly 3.4 million violent victimizations per year, went unreported to the police between 2006 and 2010, according to a new report published by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS)."

And a High Tech tie-in - Gunshot Detection Tech is being used to give us an empirically verifiable metric within a heretofore confused mix of accusations and ass-covering.

From - https://news.virginia.edu/content/shots-dark-measuring-gun-crimes-go-unreported

"...gun violence that doesn’t result in a homicide often goes unreported,” Doleac said.

Doleac and Carr focused their study on Washington, D.C. and Oakland, California, “partly because of their large size, and also because by using the Freedom of Information Act, we were able to obtain years of ShotSpotter data and reported crime or 911 call data from both cities,” Doleac said.

In Washington, they collected data from January 2011 to June 2013; in Oakland, from January 2008 to October 2013.

Their research revealed one report of gunshots to 911 for every eight gunshot incidents recorded by ShotSpotter in Washington. When broken down by crime, this amounted to one reported homicide for every 208 recorded gunfire incidents and one reported assault with a deadly weapon for every 43 recorded gunshot incidents in the District.

From Oakland, their research found one homicide for every 100 recorded gunshot incidents and one reported assault with a deadly weapon for every 16 recorded gunshots."
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