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It was false that Trump spoke Biden name 6 times in the telephone conversation.


He spoke Biden's name 3 times in the version of the "transcript" that was released by the white house.

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The President:
There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it...



At the same time, I read the whistleblower report and didn't see any claims to how many times Trump mentioned biden. If you could provide a quote from the report I'd take a look.

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It is false that he demanded the investigation of Biden in return for arms.


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Zelenskyy: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike...



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There is nothing wrong with the conversation.


We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Schiff read a false version of the phone call into the Congressional Record, claiming that the false version he read was a good, reliable version of the phone-call.


He paraphrased the transcript, but either way what Schiff did doesn't change what Trump seems to have done.

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I see you did read the transcript. What Schiff did was follow Whistleblower 1's claims - that's the relevance.

Schiff himself called those claims - by proxy, as they were presented in his reading - a parody. Thus, not true.

So, from your champion, Schiff, da Whistleblower claims not be true, mon.


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Schiff himself called those claims - by proxy, as they were presented in his reading - a parody. Thus, not true.

So, from your champion, Schiff, da Whistleblower claims not be true, mon.



Your argument doesn't even make sense. Whatever Schiff did, it doesn't change the transcript, the whistleblower report, or whether or not Trump withheld military aid to pressure a vulnerable foreign ally to investigate his presumed challenger in the 2020 election.
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Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.



Biden got the prosecutor fired in a raw quid pro quo when his son was on the Board of the subject of the prosecutor's investigation. The kid was unqualified except for nepotism.

The AG is investigating a broad range of crimes. The President asked the Ukraine president to assist in the probe. Perfectly legit.
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Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.



Biden got the prosecutor fired in a raw quid pro quo when his son was on the Board of the subject of the prosecutor's investigation. The kid was unqualified except for nepotism.

The AG is investigating a broad range of crimes. The President asked the Ukraine president to assist in the probe. Perfectly legit.



I suppose that it is just a coincidence that the only specific "corruption" that Trump wanted to investigate was regarding his presumed political challenger in 2020.
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Nope - wrong. Most of the corruption discussed in the Transcript concerned the Ukrainian company called "Crowdstrike."

Also - are you sleepy, or just not actually reading what I post?

I noted that Whistleblower 1 had certain content in his claim, and that Schiff used that content, claiming it was the content of the phone call transcript.

He later called his version - which was the content of the Whistleblower complaint - a parody. Something not true.

That's Schiff calling the Whistleblower content untrue.

Capisce?


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only specific "corruption" that Trump wanted to investigate was regarding his presumed political challenger in 2020.



As usual, a false statement. He asked for a 'favor' with regard to the AG's investigation of crimes in the run up to the 2016 election, and mentioned Crowdstrike.

Biden came up later in response to Ukraine's president mentioning corruption in his country.
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only specific "corruption" that Trump wanted to investigate was regarding his presumed political challenger in 2020.



As usual, a false statement. He asked for a 'favor' with regard to the AG's investigation of crimes in the run up to the 2016 election, and mentioned Crowdstrike.

Biden came up later in response to Ukraine's president mentioning corruption in his country.



I suppose you're right, he was pressuring a vulnerable foreign ally to investigate his political opponent in 2016 as well as his presumed political opponent in 2020.


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Lucid,

"Hillary and Ol' Joe are both implicated in these investigations" (paraphrase)

Good point!

In both cases the overseas corruption involved Dem candidates. One Presidential, on Dem Primary Presidential.

You don't mean to suggest that being a candidate then, or now, affords some kind of immunity to investigation of overt appearance of corruption - or criminal action, such as Barr is investigating - are yah?


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