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Motion: That RedQ's is removed as a moderator.


Motion: That RedQ's is removed as a moderator.

Here is a link to the rules for moderators

For reference, rule 15 states:
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15. Removing Moderators: Moderators can have their moderation privileges revoked if a majority of moderators agree.



In this post, I will show that RedQ has frequently and flagrantly violated our forums rules over a long period of time and despite many warnings.

Here are the forum's rules.

Specifically, here is rule 1:

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1. Member Responsibility: This forum is a professional setting. Members must be polite. Members will not write anything that they would not say in a classroom or other face-to-face setting. They will not make personal attacks, use bad language, post distasteful images (including avatars), or use speech that a reasonable person would consider hate speech. They will not bully, troll or stalk. They will not post spam. Members are their own first editors. They should not post haphazardly and depend on moderators to correct them. When in doubt, leave it out. When members are questioned about their behavior by a moderator, they will answer clearly, concisely and politely.



Exhibits A through N show RedQ repeated violating literally the first rule of our forum.

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Exhibit I:
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Exhibit N:
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RedQ should not be a moderator, and his moderator privileges should be removed.
11/2/2019, 10:48 pm Link to this post PM luciddream00 Blog
 
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Re: Motion: That RedQ's is removed as a moderator.


Because of the severity of this motion, I am going to insist on strict adherence to the rules. I will only count unambiguous votes of "Yea" or "Nay". Nothing like "Yeah, I think so" or "I don't want to do that" will count as a vote.

We still need for a member to second the motion before the clock begins, voting starts, and I post a notice on our banner. The second must be in the form of an unambiguous, "I second Lucid's motion."
11/3/2019, 9:55 am Link to this post PM Spikosauropod
 
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I guess nobody thinks that it is a good idea to remove a moderator that repeatedly and blatantly ignores the rules?

This is a test, let's see if the system works.
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Red doesn't do any moderating. He is just an annoying member. I doubt that removing him as a moderator will fix the problem you are concerned with.

I will just keep scolding him for making offensive posts. He may not get any better, but he does not seem to be getting any worse.
11/4/2019, 4:57 pm Link to this post PM Spikosauropod
 
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Spikosauropod wrote:

Red doesn't do any moderating. He is just an annoying member. I doubt that removing him as a moderator will fix the problem you are concerned with.



A non-moderator could be dealt with by moderators. That is the problem. We have a member with immunity as long as they are still a moderator.

When there is no penalty for breaking the rules, then there is no incentive to stop breaking the rules.

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I will just keep scolding him for making offensive posts. He may not get any better, but he does not seem to be getting any worse.


Not getting any worse isn't good enough. We have rules, and they need to be enforced. I posted more than enough individual examples of RedQ's completely unacceptable behavior over nearly a year.

Anyone who believes that RedQ should continue to be a moderator is implicitly saying that moderators are allowed to break the rules. Is that the community we want to create? I think the answer is self evident.

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If you can get any moderator to second this motion, I will post a message in our forum banner. Otherwise, your observations may be falling on deaf ears. Richie or Extropia are your best bet for getting a second. You could post a thread asking them to look at your motion or send them a message through the Runboard messaging system.
11/4/2019, 6:25 pm Link to this post PM Spikosauropod
 
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Oh my, this reminds me of the endless discussions in the old KurzweilAI forum.

I am mostly inactive here and I am not familiar with the backstory, so it wouldn't be appropriate for me to second the motion or vote.

In general, I think removing members or mods is only appropriate under *very extreme* circumstances (e.g. exhortations to crime, threats of physical violence, etc.)

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giulio wrote:Oh my, this reminds me of the endless discussions in the old KurzweilAI forum.


Yes, because RedQ continues to ignore rules and engage in personal attacks in any community he is a part of, and I continue to have a problem with that. RedQ was banned from the Kurzweil forum for personal attacks, and was rewarded with moderator status here. I said it was a mistake to give RedQ moderator privileges here in the first place, and time has proven me correct.

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giulio wrote:

I am mostly inactive here and I am not familiar with the backstory, so it wouldn't be appropriate for me to second the motion or vote.

In general, I think removing members or mods is only appropriate under *very extreme* circumstances (e.g. exhortations to crime, threats of physical violence, etc.)



You shouldn't have to be active here to realize that RedQ is flagrantly violating the rules. Either we have consequences for repeatedly and willfully violating the rules or the rules mean nothing.

I will not be a part of a forum that lets the moderators ignore the rules.

The only consequence we have right now for a moderator that violates the rules is permanent removal of their moderator privileges. If that is a bridge too far, then perhaps we need a new consequence that isn't as extreme.

Here is my attempt. I welcome discussion.

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Oh my, this reminds me of the endless discussions in the old KurzweilAI forum.


The difference is that we are strictly democratic. If a majority of moderators agree that Red's moderating privileges should be removed, they will be removed. The process is formal and in the open. It is also possible for all members to propose such a motion:

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13. Removing Moderators: A member can initiate a vote in the Foundation & Bureaucracy section to have a moderator removed if they believe the moderator has violated the forum rules. In this instance, a vote will immediately be initiated and members will be allowed 72 hours to vote. For this to occur, at least 10 members must vote. During the time that the discussion is underway, and the vote is being taken, the member that initiated the vote cannot be prevented from voting. If the member is removed from the forum, their vote will automatically be counted against the moderator they sought to have removed. If, at the end of the 72 hours, 4/5 of the vote are to have the moderator removed, that moderator will lose their moderating privileges. In this instance, no action by moderators or administration can be taken to restore that moderator’s privileges at any time in the future. Votes will not be recorded with the forums mechanical voting mechanism. An unambiguous “Yea” (remove them) or “Nay” (do not remove them) will be necessary and sufficient.

11/5/2019, 12:52 am Link to this post PM Spikosauropod
 
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Red, did you go through and add all those comments to Lucid's motion? I.e. did you edit his motion?
11/23/2019, 10:49 pm Link to this post PM Spikosauropod
 


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