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Does this poll refute my contention?


My contention is that most Dems don't consider themselves Americans, but rather, Citizens of the World.

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6/11/2018, 4:29 am Link to this post PM spud100 Blog
 
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"A citizen of the world."

To believe that there is lots of push for the "world citizen idea" in many ways is reasonable.

I agree there is such a push. It only makes sense to me that it likely comes from those who have written of it for many generations - those who see themselves as our elites.

Globalization as it is pushed right now fits this "world citizen idea." The way it helps push that at the moment can be seen as globalism is pitched as a contrast to "bad nationalisation."

This is similar to this logical construction - "a policy we should pursue en route to moving away from national citizenship, or lessening the value of national citizenship."

Very well. What remains? Either the growth of anarchy, or world citizenship.

Yet while that has indeed been a focus for some groups since the early Cold War era, that idea is not pushed anywhere in any serious forum.

Not to any broad public audience. Neither globalism nor any other active political movement in any country openly pushes world government.

Nobody would push for that who has any input from political advisors of quality - they would know that the relevant voters would see that as what it is. Which is, asking them to vote to have their own, specific, current national voices diminished or totally extinguished.

We have an actual living "passion play" of a sort regarding this in the ongoing "Real World - EuroState." We can consider the history of the EuroState as one of the scriped reality show cable series.

The creation and growth of the "Euro State" was elites creating a quasi-State out of several - not all - European countries.

All the while acting as though it was both a kind of "United States of Europe" and at the same time, maintaining the countries that pre-existed. So it remains what it was, plus.

It is a set of separate countries with separate laws and courts who agree to share the same currency and many shared laws via treaty.

But in a jumble of different treaties over time. Some relate to some laws and trading deals, some mean you use the Euro and others keep their own currency - its quite a jumble in Europe.

A great advertisement for anyone who wants to warn against a "World State" - especially when you look at the "Merkelization" and how they try to browbeat the Easternmost States into accepting "Merkels gifts of Diversity."

Over time, the UK and Europe have provided that and other valuable examples for us to learn from.

Consider our societal drift in the US over the last two generations. A drift from robust patriotism and generic religiosity to overt hedonism and PC.

That has been a very rapid and uneven course of change.

Strong resistance to it has in place and growing for all that time in places. Embraced fully in others. Variations on those themes in others.

Contention on many grounds and development of many new bulwarks against too-rapid change have made for many related ongoing issues that are certainly still being worked out in the US.

Older norms and beliefs are not dead "across the pond" either. In contrast to the US, in some ways the change over there is so far to the dystopian, nihilistic "who cares, what matters - were can I buy or steal a thrill, eh?" mindset it can seem like a lost cause.

No! While very weak, "western traditions" that prize freedom are not completely dead over there. Signs of that remaining strength:

The reactions of Brexit.

The fight back against the PC "thought control" attitudes of some Brit cops and judges being protested strongly. Example - the large, very recent "Tommy Robinson" protests.

The most recent Italian elections.

The robust Eastern Euro rejection of "Merkelization" and specifically, George Soros.

Our "World Citizen thinkers" are loosers at our polls. They lose even still in important ways "over there" as well.

Even with the "EuroState" and all the more advanced "societal degradation" over there.

Our elite-backed-and-allied media, and academia as well have ridiculed "nationalists" like Populist "America Firster" Trump supporters as - yes! of course! - quasi-Nazis, all the while.

Still - even without any "world citizen" aspects to the Poll, it has some great signs - particularly, the strength of traditional American strength in our belief in ourself in the different subsets.

And us oldies are the goodies!
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Too intellectual for me Doc. Two generations ago people were split by Vietnam. All because it was a war horribly, conducted, generaled, (Yeah Westmoreland), with incomplete goals. Those days had gone with the SDS bombings around the nation.

In any case, the people who vote democrat, are, essentially, anti-American, at heart.
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