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Data is just another example of ridiculousness. If he existed, SAI would exist, and humans could not compete.

Our only hope is that SAI is subservient and docile...a super intelligent slave.
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Like Data?
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Extropia DaSilva wrote:

Like Data?


Data is a plot device. He is the creation of a mysterious scientist that was originally assumed to be dead but turns out to merely be in hiding. Consequently, Data cannot be mass produced or improved upon. Things like that do not happen in the real world.

If data actually existed, he would be well understood and there would soon be many more of him. They would be set to work creating brains and robots superior to themselves. The reason why that does not happen in Star Trek is because it would ruin the show, not because it makes logical sense.

In general, things that happen in science fiction books, movies and shows are not good models for what could or would happen in real life. The need to generate drama is the nemesis of plausibility.
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Well, actually, in one of the ‘Next Generation’ episodes, some boffin wants to take Data apart in order to reverse-engineer his design and create more androids like him. The boffin is pretty sure he will indeed discover how Data works but he cannot offer complete guarantees that he will be able to put Data back together again after having disassembled him.

Captain Picard does not want to risk losing Data and a court case is set up to determine whether or not Data is just property belonging to the Federation rather than a person in his own right, endowed with inalienable rights like the right to life. At first, Picard’s approach is to try and argue that Data is human but since he obviously isn’t this approach is not working. Gainan points out that, throughout history there have been ‘disposable’ people, meaning those expected to do the dirty and dangerous jobs we normally don’t want to touch. If Data is mass-manufactured, this could produce a race of beings that are treated like disposable people.

Picard changes tact, saying that, yes, there is no question that Data is not human. But neither is a Klingon, or a Ferengi’. We don’t think it right to enslave them, so why should it be permissible to enslave a race of androids? In order to justify this we would have to prove Data does not have a soul. But this cannot be proven, anymore than anyone can prove an autistic human who does not grasp the nuances of emotions has no soul. Or even that a person who is spectacularly adept at understanding emotions has a soul. Picard argues that Data has the right to live and to search for his soul, as does any sentient being. He is not property.

Picard wins the argument, and Data is not dismantled and reverse-engineered.
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