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No, not necessarily. The people who believe this to be true assume all human interactions are ‘really’ commercial exchanges. They are wrong.
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quote:

all human interactions are ‘really’ commercial exchanges.


Brilliant observation. See, you are learning!
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Exty, FYI. Spikos apriori. position is omniscience.
I guess it’s a strength to think you know all and see all. DJT does this and to some it is quite seductive. Not everybody however.

As always I could be wrong. 😏
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Money is a ‘work in progress’. a ‘tool’. A cherished, horded and coveted one to be sure , but nothing more.
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As a tool, money is sort of like the drinking cup. It does its job so well that few people give it much thought any more. Once it is completely digital, we won't have to choke any more Floyds.
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Once it is completely digital, it will become the sole ownership of the elites, who will control everything, eh? Before this happens at this point in late June, the US may be breaking into two hostile regions, largely, Pro-US versus Anti-US. In the digital zones, Silicon Valley will ally/fund with the People's Republic Party, for a while, till things crumble, which would be within two years. China may end up funding them, in return for military bases, which the People's republic

This will impact the perception worldwide of the actual reliability of digital money right down to 'direct deposits.' How many electrons shall I send to the bank's servers in your account?? Money can be counterfeited, but a digital economy can be hacked, counterfeited, dumped, halted, tracked, erased, and eliminated instantly.

So, paper money in an age of Star Trek? Well, in Next Generation, the Ferengi made it work with gold-pressed latinum. :-/
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They had the Ferengi using some kind of gold because its so, so deeply embedded in our consciousness as money metal.

The origonal Trek had Rodenberry focused on his idea of a better future. To him that meant no money, one world government...

Yet commerce is so embedded in our culture, the writers occasionally came up with plotlines that included commerce anyway. It shows up on "The Trouble with Tribbles," where the Space Station Bar Owner haggles like a champ with the guy selling Tribbles.

In "Mudds Women," Kirk has to deal with rough miners toughing it out "to make a bundle" digging ore dug out of a desolate, isolated planet.

Another mining episode has a big, blobby "Silocone life form" interfering with the mining crew.

Presumably the crew and foreman were on duty far underground on that distant planet for good bucks - but that's never gone into.

Nor is the pay for the ships' crew, though I got the impression they weren't paid. In our Navy, if everybody had a good life to live as a civvie, and got no pay - it would be much, much smaller!

And mining? Working as a barkeep on a distant space station? All for no pay?

Every novel that comes to mind, that deals with futures, all have some kind of economic pressure pushing almost all of the characters. Only some rich folks or aristocrats feel no money pressure.

The only depictions I can think of that don't are very skimpy on much detail, or depict deprivation. A cramped, small life. Folks do little more than simply work like dogs for subsistence, and noodge around trying to make what small deals they can, to get some advantage in their community.

A money economy based society will be with us, probably, until the Sing, when everything will be up for grabs.




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Roddenberry would have found it impossible to depict a world without money. This is because money, strictly speaking, is a form of measurement and what it measures is relative costs and values. While it is certainly possible to do away with a physical representation of money and have a world where nobody need carry cash or credit cards, a world where nobody need calculate relative costs is never going to happen. Even in a Star-Trekky future with it’s near-magical tech there would still be the necessity to work out whether something is worth doing this way or if it would be more economical to consider alternative approaches. If Roddenberry did believe the crew of the Enterprise had no need for ‘money’, he will have made the mistake that many people make, which is to think a world without cash and a world without money is the same thing.

I am not so sure Roddenberry was trying to depict a world where money is no longer necessary however. Rather, he was depicting a world where, in some cases, people have advanced beyond placing material acquisition as the very definition of success. What matters to Picard is not that his Captain’s quarters are bigger and more luxuriously appointed than anyone else’s or that he gets to swagger around in big cars spending big wads of notes on things others cannot afford. He does not derive his feelings of achievement from such things. In a world where just about any physical object can be created seemingly from thin air, using some kind of automated manufacturing process that makes even molecular nanotechnology seem like a crude way of reorganising matter, there would be little sense in deriving any feelings of superiority over having more stuff than others. However, he is ‘captain’ so this is not a communist utopia in the sense that everyone is equal both in wealth and status. Some forms of prestige still matter to Picard.
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Ex, Star Trek is a logically inconsistent fantasy. It depends on suspension of disbelief to emphasize the value of certain things over others. They have FTL and the ability to simulate humans in their entirety, but no SAI. The whole scenario is ridiculous. Our real future can and will be nothing like Star Trek.
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Isn’t Data an SAI? His thought processes are incomparably faster and more accurate than a human’s. In one episode he single-handily takes over the Enterprise and there’s nothing the rest of the crew can do to prevent him because his vast intellect and ability to think a billion steps ahead allows him to easily manoeuvre himself around any attempt by the crew to take back control.

Of course, Data is not superior in literally every way. He cannot feel emotions and struggles to comprehend things like humour. But according to you an SAI would be unable to feel emotions so I don’t see why Data’s honest admission that he is incapable of feeling anything should preclude him from being described as an SAI in your eyes.
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