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We need to adjust our language before AIs start demanding rights


I dont like the idea of a mere machine with AI getting too big for their boots and demanding equal rights with humans on some spurious basis of being "intelligent".

The term "AI" is too delicately PC and you can bet liberals will be on their side - no doubt comparing it with the black civil rights movement. Its a language problem - AI is too moderate and sympathetic term. We need a new word that subjugates the AIs to their rightful place as our serfs. Ive heard the term "clankers" - which I think is pretty good. Any of you guys got some slang term we can use? - And while were at it lets make sure theyre programmed to be respectful to their human masters - it already bugs me that Siri and other virtual assistants seem to be programmed to be your equal buddy - they should say "yes, master" or "How can i help you master?".

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We can start by dropping this silly idea that rights are something we ‘have’, as if they are akin to a private possession. Rights are mutual obligations not ‘things’ we ‘own’. Really, the idea that we ‘have’ rights was promoted by those who wanted to argue that we could ‘sell’ them just like any other possession. Then, debt peonage could be reframed as a voluntary exchange rather than what it actually is, which is a condition brought about by coercion. Hell, some have even suggested that slaves might not have been victims but people who sold their rights in some perfectly legitimate business contract.

I believe that even if sheepdogs had enough intelligence to be able to grasp concepts like money, they would not go on strike and demand payment for the service they render to shepherds. This is because sheepdogs really love their jobs. Why shouldn’t they? It was what they were bred to do. Their jobs are their calling and they would happily do what their bred to do for free (or not exactly free, since they do need feeding but you know what I mean). Similarly AIs ‘bred’ to perform tasks like driving trucks or editing videos or sweeping floors would be quite content to perform these tasks. They are no more slaves than a sheepdog running around herding sheep is.
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Ex, you seem to have found a particularly complicated way of saying that rights are inalienable.

John Locke argued this point from first principles. He started with the golden rule and reasoned from the golden rule that in order to live comfortably in the world, one must recognize in others certain granted considerations.

Machines are not granted these considerations because they have no feelings. They are just processes implemented with mechanical apparatus. The real question is whether or not they can ever be anything more.

Since we do not understand consciousness, we are not in a position to answer this question. However, I strongly suspect that consciousness is restricted to natural biological forms and will never be associated with machines of any sort. The proper assumption is that they do not have consciousness unless a strong argument can be made to the contrary. Therefore, they should not have the associated considerations.
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Thats a very compelling argument for what you're arguing about spike. But we need to start a movement that disenfranchises the rights of clankers before the libs start giving robbie the robot rights. Nuanced arguments about whether an AI has feelings/consciousness is for egghead philosophers - the general public wont be interested before its too late. We need to take action NOW! NO RIGHTS FOR CLANKERS! Were sleepwalking into a world where AIs are treated as our equals.
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The economist at George Mason university (forget his name) about 5 years ago, posited a surge in machine intelligence and thought that we'd simply let machines do everything and stay out of their way, their cities, etc.

For today, we need not sweat the threat of AI (wonderful science fiction) but the threat of other humans. Humans stand in the way of humans and not machinery, but its a tasty scapegoat served up for us to fear, along with space aliens.

We are not all in this together, we've been all in this, apart. (talking Corona, but its fungible).
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