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When a coroner includes the word ‘homocide’ it means the death was caused by human actions external to them a which were intentional
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And the article notes that the Coroners report - which we still haven't seen, this is a press release containing some cherry-picked facts, that's all it is - has no prosecutorial value.

Its an independent thing to that. The value it does have is PR. It can impress the public yea or nea regarding guilt.

Factually, the cherry-picked factoids in this press release do not provide any evidentiary support at all that would contradict the preliminary autopsy findings that have been released, that showed zero, no, nada signs of strangulation or asphyxiation.

When whoever released this included the "neck pressure" content, that left the implication that some finding exists that would contradict that.

But all we get is implication.

So too with tossing the word "homicide" in this Press Release.

The preceding findings mean that unless they can show the cops violated procedure, they most certainly are not any more implicated in his death by what we read in this Press Release.

All homicide means, when they use it all by itself, is that someone has some connection to the chain of events leading up to the death of someone that can arguably have been part of causing it.

But without more of a modifier, it has no more specific application to the Cops.

After all - the guy died in the ER. Did the Ambulace Crew and ER staff also "commit homicide?"


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Well, we can probably expect, given the evidence we have so far, that he probably won't get the punishment / sentence that lay people think he should. Especially to the instigators.

And, apparently the ACLU thinks he should be charged with 1st or 2nd degree, instead..

So all of these accusations of horrendous racial bias and whatnot, will pick up steam again later on when the trial takes-place, and he gets... involuntary manslaughter.

If they wind up pushing 1st or 2nd, and give little to no regards to manslaughter, the defense should have no trouble defending it in an honest court of law...

Which may be what some folks on the left really want. It's the most useful outcome.

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There certainly may be some who support the presection of The Evil Kneeler out of complex, strategic thinking.

But in most of these showcase Black Victim trials, those closest to the family want the harshest punishment to be the Prosecutors goal.

This is now an established thing with these showcase Black Victim trials, which are almost always based on very flimsy evidence in terms of the most harsh charges.

The family and their demagogic lawyer{s} shoot for the moon and exaggerate everything.

The "victim" was a saint.

The "killer" was White even if he wasn't, and intended to kill the Saint out of racist hate.


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Oh, yeah I know the family would want a hangin'. And the regular schmoes might as well.

But, you'd figure folks with the ACLU would have better judgement, if they were being honest. (I mean, they could see fault in a 3rd degree charge, but not 1st or 2nd?)
At least not in terms of what you think you could get a conviction on, in a court of law.
A person could do a quick check of the definition of various charges, and see which one fits it best. To say it was 1st degree murder (as the ACLU suggested), seems like you'd be seeing the cop as a movie villain.. Decided to execute the guy, in front of a group of people with cameras rolling, and before the medics (that the cops had apparently called) arrived.

Possible, sure. Likely, I don't think so. Might as well entertain the idea that they were both actors... and he later acted as the mysterious umbrella man too...
(Edit, I think they just like the sound of "found innocent of murder" in this context. It just rolls off the tongue..
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First-degree murder
    Any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought. Felony murder, a charge that may be filed against a defendant who is involved in a dangerous crime where a death results from the crime, is typically first-degree.

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Second-degree murder
    Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned in advance.

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3rd degree murder
  Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.

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Voluntary manslaughter
    Sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice..

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Involuntary manslaughter
    A killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional or negligent act leading to death. A drunk driving–related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. The crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.


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The Model Penal Code classifies homicides differently, without degrees. Under it, murder is any killing committed purposely and knowingly, manslaughter is any killing committed as a result of recklessness, and negligent homicide is any killing resulting from negligence.



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The most Derek Chauvin can legitimately be charged with is involuntary manslaughter. If he is charged and convicted with a worse offense, we have surrendered law to mob rule. We are no longer a constitutional democracy.
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Yep, but listen to the rhetoric from the usual suspects in the MSM, when / if that is the eventual charge.
They'll focus on what he was found innocent of (Murder), and play off of it.. As if it were an example of horrible racial injustice.

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We have to call this what it is.

An organized group of insurrectionists are deliberately stoking black anger to create a cover for their insurrection. Then, they are using that cover to direct thugs to vandalize and steal in the hopes that it turns into an actual revolution. The MSM and the DNC are 100% complicit.

We are actually seeing the thing that was feared and anticipated a century ago. We are living a comic book plot:

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Charges of second degree murder for Chauvin and aiding and abetting for other 3 officers

https://www.facebook.com/1021722760/posts/10220259161802167/?d=n
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Charges of second degree murder for Chauvin and aiding and abetting for other 3 officers

https://www.facebook.com/1021722760/posts/10220259161802167/?d=n


Political retributions are third world stuff. It's too bad we have come to that. Hey Rich...you're the man!
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