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http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/04/25/death-wish-people-like-you-should-just-die-motherfcker-go-to-hell-skeptical-book-author-moranos-hate-mail-of-the-day/

They could also be Russian FSB trolls--an investigation is needed. Russia benefits from a high carbon world-Without the USA $$$
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Mark Morano incites death threats to climate scientists, then cries when people react in a similar way? Nope, he admits he enjoys doing it and doesn't care if they do it to him also. So, it's just you spewing insults again, whilst crying for attention again.

https://www.desmogblog.com/marc-morano

Of course, if you actually spent more time reading info posted before, rather than deliberately and constantly spewing lies and insults, you would have known about his actions against scientists. http://bescapevelocity.runboard.com/t1089,offset=0#post3669

Try reading more, whilst insulting and lying less.



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Edit by RedQ: Deleted for personal insults. Not permitted.


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Well, opinions seem to vary.

On Enviro's, Morano, and the whole Global Warming Alarmism thing.

Happily, some can get along. Spuds article has a nice pic of Morano handing his book to our fine new EPA chief. This is the caption (from Spuds leading link):

"Marc Morano presented his book, “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change,” to EPA chief Scott Pruitt yesterday. (4-24-18) Morano/Twitter"
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Hey! I wanted the personal insults and triggering! I do a lot of posting at Breitbart, and just Wuv the attempted insults, and worse, justifications for their silly Lib-Fascist Positions!

No need to delete. If Wayne wants to do the evil, it's fine! We don't live in Kurzweil town anymore.

On climate, their forecasts are awful. "But weather isn't climate!" They lecture. It isn't? Then what is it, Flavor? !@#$ or get off the pot, Enviro's. They will threaten any kind of death and suffering, be it emails, or in Climate Papers--all to grab power. They are the science of Lysenko, the science of Eugenics by race.
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Spud, I like flame wars as much as the next guy, but as we saw at KAI, it just leads to destruction.

I just remembered how to delete a post as a moderator.

Oh, the power

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"greendocnowciv: Happily, some can get along. Spuds article has a nice pic of Morano handing his book to our fine new EPA chief. This is the caption (from Spuds leading link):

"Marc Morano presented his book, “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change,” to EPA chief Scott Pruitt yesterday. (4-24-18) Morano/Twitter""


Yes, they get along because they both work for the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/02/scott-pruitts-dirty-politics

https://www.desmogblog.com/search/google/Scott%20Pruitt

"spud100: Hey! I wanted the personal insults and triggering! I do a lot of posting at Breitbart, and just Wuv the attempted insults, and worse, justifications for their silly Lib-Fascist Positions!

No need to delete. If Wayne wants to do the evil, it's fine! We don't live in Kurzweil town anymore.

On climate, their forecasts are awful. "But weather isn't climate!" They lecture. It isn't? Then what is it, Flavor? !@#$ or get off the pot, Enviro's. They will threaten any kind of death and suffering, be it emails, or in Climate Papers--all to grab power. They are the science of Lysenko, the science of Eugenics by race."


It was not an insult. It was advice to see a psychologist, since you seem to suffer from a delusion that it was Russians that sent the nasty emails to Morano.

It was also a link, http://science.time.com/2012/09/11/arctic-sea-ice-vanishes-and-the-oil-rigs-move-in/ showing that many countries/fossil fuel companies, including the USA, benefit from an ice free arctic. Therefore, again showing that you are spewing BS by claiming a Russian motive for the nasty emails to Morano.

You are the one spewing personal insults, by calling people that have concerns for the environment "Lib-Fascists" and spew more BS by blatantly, falsely claiming that "they are the science of Lysenko, the science of Eugenics by race".

You accuse me of "doing evil" for confronting your blatant lies and insults. Classic.

"RedQ: I like flame wars as much as the next guy"

Yes, it's obvious, although only if it is those that share your worldview/ideology that are allowed to flame.

"RedQ: I just remembered how to delete a post as a moderator.

Oh, the power"


Pathetic.



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It is actually a good thing that at least one moderator has decided to exercise some control.

Red, it would be much better if you would just neatly snip out the part that is actually a personal insult and not delete the whole post. I realize this is more work, but moderating is work. It is more of a job than an honor.

If someone says, "Your opinion about George Bush is idiotic and wrong." Edit it to: "Your opinion about George Bush is wrong." Cut out the very minimum that is possible. I was able to do this to one of Wayne's posts without difficulty.

After you edit a post, you should say in your own post something like, "I edited a personal insult out of [member's] post" You only need to say this once. If the behavior persists, you can continue to edit without giving an explanation.

You should never say something like, "Oh, the power." Power has a big price and you must exercise it discretely. If you exercise it indiscreetly, we will all pay the price.
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Another fight!

Yay! Fight! Fight!

How natural for many of us.

Spud, I see you partly as a "happy warrior."

I can see a Spud-cognate at a familiar pub, occasionally brawling, and later happily socializing with the one he had been brawling with.

I think all three of us value truth, and aim for it. We simply disagree as to how it looks in our subjective worlds.

We have solid reasoning telling us we have the chance of really meaningful, closer understanding with "the other."

From roughly 11:00 in this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONUM4akzLGE

Jonathan Haidt explains that we have a long history in the "Western Tradition" of a solidly intact, coherent and respectable "Conservative body of thought."

But also a not just different, but truly complimentary solidly intact, coherent and respectable "Liberal body of thought."

He presents a picture that we can appreciate from the famous "Yin - Yang" symbol. The idea is that our situation can be seen from a dualism view.

The classic "dualism ideal" concept of "duality of existence" is valued philosophically in several historical religious systems.

He notes that he himself had not considered any Conservo idea seriously for must of his life. He was solidly either Yin or Yang. So much so that he had never considered any "right" or Repub idea without quickly dismissing it as idiotic or otherwise obviously wrong.

Not until at the age of 40 did he happen to pull a certain book off the shelf and consider what it contained, and start to edge toward "the other."

From that point, Haidt has moved toward the Yin-Yang ideal - bridging that border.

Much harder to do today! Only a little over a decade later, but we are in Rays' "log-scale timeline," right? That scale seems to apply to sociological change as well as IT change, sometimes.

It seems more and more that way each day, in todays "faster time" of ever increasing rifts in already gaping gaps in ideology in our current, modern world.

In this thread, for instance, we have "evil environmentalism" as the label. Within the Enviro movement, one big part of the Enviro movement is Global Warming Alarmism.

I personally think that the term "Global Warming Alarmism" is a good name-choice for that movement. It captures the original idea and preserves all of the original "Global Warming" name.

It adds a word referring to most of the transitions in the "Global Warming" theme over time to now, on the left. All of the many major ideas, pronouncements, conferences, etc., mainly add up to - get ever more alarmed, and use that alarm to "radically transform society" to mitigate that alarming risk.

Global Warming Alarmism is thus much more historically and thematically accurate than "Climate Change."

"Climate Change" is so vague! And it's not at all "alarming" as a phrase.

Change in both climate and weather is normal everywhere on earth. The issue is supposed to be "alarming." Using a term used for "normality" is certainly less appropriate than mine for something we are supposed to be not just alarmed about - but "supremely alarmed" about!

So, there I am, humbly trying to move toward "the other," using a non-provocative, "no flame here" term, and fully explaining it.

I humbly show this example and offer - it can be done!

But is often not done. Haidts' intro part concludes pointing out that the kinda, well..."kinda flammable" starts our threads sometimes have are being seen also more and more in our culture.

A more highly partisan time all over the Western World, and other countries as well to some degree, is our current reality.

As we separate and "otherwise" the other more in the minds of both sides, more extreme actions and words are to be expected.

Another example from that link above to show two really different views of the objectively same thing. At 24:26 we see "old Glory" respected on the right and much less, or not at all on the left.

That nickname itself - "old Glory" - is easy for a Consrvo to connect to the American flag. To a libbo, a US flag is much less likely to be seen as sacred.

Haidt is not making fun of either side here. His point is that both extremes are seeing the same values, but defining how you look at those values.

He may be right! We may be closer in some way than it appears.

May we find truth in our battles as we go forward!




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Yes, Doc, I'm sure that we all three do not mind "occasionally brawling, and later happily socializing with the one we had been brawling with".

The problem comes when it's the constant barrage of insults and lies, directed at those that do not share the Spud and Doc worldview/opinion/ideology, that needs to stop. Please take note of what I mentioned here: http://bescapevelocity.runboard.com/t1547

You would never see any bad comments from me, if you two could just consider and remember, that there are people with very diverse worldviews/opinions/ideologies that frequent this forum. I'm pretty sure that the reason so few of the 47 thus far registered, bother to post anything here, is that they read your posts and decide that they won't bother to even try discuss anything here, due to you two.

As I have said before, it takes a vast amount of my time, to collect and collate information and links to information, to point out where you two are wrong, in the constant barrage of misinformation, blatant lies, or simple ignorance thrown around here, by you two. It's not fun for me and your behavior is not impressing anyone but yourselves...sadly.

You can try and justify your "alarmist" moniker, which we all know is just you attempting to flame/insult, any way you want. Of course, IIRC, you and Spud moaned about being called "deniers" by some people/articles that are concerned about the issue, but you want your cake and you want to eat it too.

So go for it, use the alarmist chirp. After all, as time goes by, even people like yourselves, whom I have shown to actually admit global warming/climate change, (See, you have moved over to the other side) will become alarmed about the myriad events that start affecting you, as the heat increases.

Of course, when the myriad adverse affects impact your life negatively, it's people such as yourselves that will complain the loudest, by claiming that you were lied to, since there was (according to you) supposed to be no need for action or "alarm".

I agree, there is no need for being "supremely alarmed", since panic helps no one. I agree, weather and climate change is normal. Under certain conditions. What is occurring, is not the normal patterns. That's why it is being taken notice of. Interesting how it works, hey?

Some recent info: http://bescapevelocity.runboard.com/t1548

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