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EnviroNuts Threaten to take down CA Guv'nor Jerry Brown


CA Governor Jerry Brown is one strong Environmentalist.

But he is even older than I, and I remember that if you give some folks an inch, they will try to take a mile.

He has given, and given, and given.

Not good enough! Now he has to agree to be like a Euro-State, and cut all fossil fuels and go completely renewable.

Good news! Its not instant, you get a bit of time.

Even Gov "Moonbeam" (an old nickname) aint up for this, so they are getting frisky.

"More than 750 different organizations — made up of mostly environmental, health, labor and social justice groups — have come together to call on Brown to place a complete ban on any new oil and gas drilling in the state of California.

Additionally, these groups are also demanding Brown to completely phase out current production of fossil fuel energy, transitioning to a complete reliability on renewable sources.

The team of progressive groups call their cause Brown’s Last Chance. They issued an open letter to the Democratic governor and are already running attack ads in an effort to push the issue.

“We, the undersigned environmental, health, justice, faith, labor, community and consumer organizations from California and around the world, strongly urge you to champion a vision for California that looks beyond the oil and gas industry to a future that is safe and healthy for everyone,” read a portion of the letter to Brown, published Wednesday."

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I'm glad that as Pres Trump and the rest of the Repubs head toward the end of the year contest, the Cali Crazies are revving up to show us all how crazy they are.

One part of our message should highlight Cali and say:

Pay attention, voters in the other 49 States.

These. Are. The. Democrats.



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Everyone, around the world, is paying attention. These people made it clear by stating:

“We, the undersigned environmental, health, justice, faith, labor, community and consumer organizations from California and around the world, strongly urge you to champion a vision for California that looks beyond the oil and gas industry to a future that is safe and healthy for everyone,”

People like you do not want such a future. You are forever deriding those that do. You want a polluted, unsafe and unhealthy world. You are what's wrong with the world.

It's a good thing that you don't have much time left on this planet, sick old man, even though you hang out on futurist sites, desperate to find an extension of your miserable life, whilst at the same time pushing for policies that create a polluted, unsafe and unhealthy world. Pathetic...

It won't be long now, before the children of this world sweep away all the scum that polluted the planet and those that promoted such policies. All that you stood for will be [sign in to see URL] you. Remembered only for being the scum that tried to destroy the world for future generations....
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Wayne,

Are you playing a role, or do you really feel that way?

If you do, then you celebrate that free enterprise has led the way to a lower advance in our Carbon Dioxide emission rate nationally in Pres Trumps first year!

Yay, if ya are all that much worried about Carbon.

Boo, if ya just wanna fight all the time.

And old? Yes, Wayne. I am as old as I am, and wish to be older as time goes by!

The alternative is not seductive.
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Yes, I feel that way. You have made it clear for as long as I have read your posts, that you are for the polluters.

I don't want to fight all the time, although I am basically forced to correct the constant BS spewing you keep doing.

Your constant praise of globalist puppet Trump and warmongering and pollution creating industries, your constant denial of environmental issues and global warming/climate change, no matter how much you are proven wrong, no matter how many facts are provided to you, reminds me of the saying "...some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Yes, you're old and sick. Sadly, your sickness has a mental aspect also, since your position regarding issues, shows clearly that you want the world to suffer also.


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I am not necessarily a paragon of any goodness.

But in my many years, my span of days stretching back so far, the lesson to not simply spew invective took hold early - I am happy to say!

E-conversations are so much easier to keep moderate than the old fashioned, in person ones.

You do insist on your Enviro-ness, so you surely have considered my earlier appeal to you to be happy about Pres Trumps first year being one that the US led other advanced nations in slowing CO2 footprint growth.

And you know as enough of a futurist to be both at KAI and EV that higher tech also means more capability to clean up enviro messes.

And last, that between Free Market and Socialist Enviro harms, the Socialists do the worst, and the Free Marketers clean up more and better.

So I'm sure you share my hope for the vanquishing of that nasty holdover, Socialism, and the victory of World Capitalism!

Led by that wonderful [sign in to see URL], you know him!

You love him! You cant get enough of him! It'[sign in to see URL] Donald J Trump!

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I agree, there is not much good in you.

You are deluded if you think you do not spew invective. You do it all the time.

Whether E-conversations or in person, if the person has faults, they get pointed out. When the faults are so constant and numerous they will be pointed out in an unflattering manner.

The USA leading in CO2 reduction does not mean much when Trump has policies that will simply continue pollution.

Also, when the USA is the worst offender, slightly reducing pollution for a short time, then electing a person that reverses that little bit of progress, does not mean much. [sign in to see URL]

Take a look at the first chart in this link and you will see that CO2 emissions by the USA, has only dropped slightly since the 2005 levels and has actually started rising again, since 2017... [sign in to see URL]

The article, even though trying to push the polluters' agenda, also shows that the small and temporary CO2 reduction, was due to increased use of other, more harmful gasses, which mean leaks of these gasses as keeps happening and the very well known polluting practices such as fracking.

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Then consider Trump wanting coal use to increase again. Therefore your claim is sadly, as usual, just more BS spewing.

Also, as shown above and in this link, the reduction is in no way due to Trump, nor has the reduction taken place in his first year. [sign in to see URL]#4448ea5e3535

As I keep saying, try to stop spewing BS.

"Higher tech" does "mean more capability to clean up enviro messes", yes, although that is the worst excuse to pollute, since waiting for the tech to clean up a particular mess means harm is done in the meantime. That is a just plain stupid way for humanity to do things. The best way is to reduce the pollution to zero, wherever possible, in as fast a way as is possible.

Your claim "that between Free Market and Socialist Enviro harms, the Socialists do the worst, and the Free Marketers clean up more and better" needs proof supplied. Also, I'm am not discussing capitalism vs socialism. I'm a capitalist.

Here are some sobering facts regarding Socialist vs Free Market environmental damage and clean up (please take the time to read the entire article, quoted from, below):

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The heart of the problem lies with the failure of our legal institutions, not the free enterprise system. Specifically, American laws were weakened more than a century ago by Progressive Era courts that believed economic progress was in the public interest and should therefore supersede individual rights.

The English common law tradition of the protection of private property rights — including the right to be free from pollution — was slowly overturned. In other words, many environmental problems are not caused by "market failure" but by government’s failure to enforce property rights. It is a travesty of justice when downstream residents, for example, cannot hold an upstream polluter responsible for damaging their properties. The common law tradition must be revived if we are to enjoy a healthy market economy and a cleaner environment. Potential polluters must know in advance that they will be held responsible for their actions.

The second lesson is that the plundering of the environment in the socialist world is a grand example of the tragedy of the commons. Under communal property ownership, where no one owns or is responsible for a natural resource, the inclination is for each individual to abuse or deplete the resource before someone else does. Common examples of this "tragedy" are how people litter public streets and parks much more than their own yards; private housing is much better maintained than public lands but maintain lush pastures on their own property; the national forests are carelessly over-logged, but private forests are carefully managed and reforested by lumber companies with "super trees"; and game fish are habitually overfished in public waterways but thrive in private lakes and streams. The tragedy of the commons is a lesson for those who believe that further nationalization and governmental control of natural resources is a solution to our environmental problems.

These two pillars of free enterprise — sound liability laws that hold people responsible for actions and the enforcement of private property rights — are important stepping stones to environmental protection.

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Only a careful mix of socialism and capitalism will solve issues. Too much of only one, leads to problems in many ways.

You really should take the time to investigate Trump and his policies and backers more. He is, as I have shown repeatedly, a puppet of the globalists.

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"We must carefully mix socialism with capitalism..."

No, we must note how dysfunctional socialism is, as it fools the hopeful nice folks to cooperate with the sociopaths who then murder like Stalin and Pol Pot.

No, better the march to todays capitalism, where the bad that is done is illegal, when the top Gov person cooperates or not.
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And as the Cali EnviroNuts attack their biggest State ally, Gov "Moonbeam"...

...it slips by them that their State hosts eight of the ten top most polluted US cities! Oh, the humanity!

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Look ye into your own lap for the stain, Cali EnviroNut's.
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