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A looming unease with how Capitalism is operating at Davos


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wef-survey-shows-growing-discomfort-with-capitalism-technology-053032765.html
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According to the survey, in the U.S., where the per capita income is $65,111, 47% leaned toward “distrust,” versus 44% just five years ago. In China, where the per capita income is $10,098, 82% of respondents chose "trust," versus 63% in 2015.
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Yes, the propaganda campaign is working. It saddens me almost as much as Megxit. That really saddens me because Meghan Markle, a poor black child from the colonies that grew up to be a princess, was the quintessential storybook fantasy. Now, they have gone and ruined it!
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Since the Citizens United ruling by the Supremes, we are a plutocracy and nothing more, unless we Impact the plutocrats in a material manner.
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I just posted Trump's Davos speech. Listen to it. It's the opposite of Richie reports.

Trump does a litany of the great U.S. economy. He then goes on to tell the gathered elite that if they want to do as well as the U.S. change your stupid policies, like ignoring the climate change freaks.

Very refreshing.
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I'll check that Trump speech out!

And Spike - that take on the Megxit issue is a bit off, I think. The "poor Black girl from the colonies" was and is a very PC, Feminist ex TV success on a show called "Suits."

I watched several episodes of it years ago when I watched TV. She was fine, nothing exceptional to my perception.

She has whatever it takes for young Prince Harry, tho. From insider accounts and what it looks like very clearly from the outside, the marriage turned him around in terms of the man he was.

He had been thought of as "the peoples' Prince." One of two sons of the iconic Princess Diana, he's the younger and not in the line of succession.

Much more ebbulent and playful, he and his brother grew up in the public eye. The older brother, being in the line of succession, got a very different education in terms of extra time with ceremonial issues and such.

William had obligation and duty scooped into his mind, and Harry was comparatively much more carefree, and for that or another reason, he was by some accounts the most popular royal. Before he made his Megxit, he had changed enough that the term "The Prince of Woke" was going around.

But he and his bro were tight up until Meghan. He had grown in his role as a "Public Servant Royal" who does a lot of PR appearances helping a lot to tie the British Commonwealth together.

He genuinely seemed to be into all that, really into the role/job.

He dropped all that to join his wife in the North American continent, living in Canada for now. He still has money, and his wife may still have some from her time on that old show.

I hope they've engaged a financial advisor. One of the other Commonwealth countries than Canada - I'm thinking of the tax system - would probably be a better bet.


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>ignoring the climate change freaks.<

But he didn’t ignore them. He pointed out that their cries of imminent doom are not new; that they have made some claims before. But the reason such prophecies did not come true was not because they were plain wrong but because the problem was taken seriously and solutions were found. The Malthusian trap was not just wished away, it was circumvented through revolutions in food production. The Great Stink and the smog that turned London’s environment virtually uninhabitable were not solved by just ignoring it like Red ignores the growing evidence of man-made climate change, it was solved through the building of better sewage systems and solutions encouraged by the UK Government’s Clean Air Act.

In every case the doomcriers warning “If things carry on like this, there will be terrible consequences in the future” were correct, but there was always room for hope because things don’t have to carry on as usual. We are an extremely inventive and creative species and we can find solutions to our problems.

Clearly Trump is not just ignoring climate change. His pledge to plant a trillion trees shows he recognises there is a problem that needs addressing. He has faith in human ingenuity and the power of the market to enable us to use that caveat “if things carry on as usual” to once again find solutions that circumvent this latest looming crisis.

That’s very different from burying your head in the sand and pretending like there’s no problem to address.
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Glad to see that you agree with President Trump, Extie,

And the doomsayers were wrong. They weren't saying "We gots troubles, lets fix this bad boy," they were saying "we're doomed."

Doomed. Not troubled, not trending wrong.

Doomed.

But they, weren't. Thus, they were wrong.


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I don’t think they were quite that fatalistic. Certainly Saint Greta of Thunberg did not go into existential despair and cry like Hudson from Aliens “game over, man! Game over! We’re screwed!!”. No she said there was an urgent problem and IF we don’t act soon THEN we’ll be doomed.

We could be doomed. Jared Diamond speculated on what was going through the mind of whoever cut down the last tree on Easter Island and the justifications he imagined sound suspiciously like what the Trumps, Spiko’s and RedQs of the world say:

“Like modern loggers, did he shout “jobs, not trees!”? Or: “Technology will solve our problems, never fear, we’ll find a substitute for wood”? Or: “We don’t have proof that there aren’t palm trees somewhere else on Easter, we need more research, your proposed ban on logging is premature and driven by fear-mongering”? similar questions arise for every society that has inadvertently damaged its environment”.

The book I am quoting from- “Collapse”- shows that it is not the case that doom sayers are always wrong. Sometimes civilisations do indeed collapse, some of them so powerful it must have seemed to their people that they would endure for all eternity.

Now it might seem absurd to compare our globalist empires to Easter Island, but perhaps it’s not so daft. The problem Easter Islanders had was that the only craft they could make were just not suitable for crossing oceans. You could island hop from Easter to Pitcairn in their canoes if you were crazy enough to try, but crisscrossing the Pacific? That was just out of the question with their primitive boat technology.

Are we so different? We have spaceships that can maybe get us to Mars if we were crazy enough to try but our solar system is separated from other stars by a much greater expanse of nothing than the ocean that surrounds Easter, and we have no technology remotely capable of crossing it. Carl Sagan spoke the truth when he said “Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark...there is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate...Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand”.

So here we are, using up Earth’s resources at several times the rate at which they can be replenished and we have no technology even remotely capable of reaching the Stars. We really are like Easter islanders.

Still one of RedQ’s beliefs which is at least remotely plausible is his belief in UFOs. If UFOs exist then the technological capability to become interstellar exists and we can discover it if we have time (just like Easter islanders being modern humans could have discovered supersonic jets if they had enough time).

It’s also pretty clear that those aliens, if they exist, cannot be capitalists. After all it’s obvious from our own history what would be occurring if they were. They would use their overwhelming technological superiority to appropriate all the Earth’s resources and would be forcing humans to work in labour camps. Since this is not happening we are drawn to the conclusion that either they don’t exist or they have actually found a way to make communism work. Probably it’s the same reason communism works in Star Trek.
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What a bunch of cant, Ex.

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which is at least remotely plausible is his belief in [fill in the blank]



Of course civilizations in the past have suffered collapse because of environmental changes (commonly drought), and we are subject to some of these pressures. It still happens today but most commonly because a strongman government loses control and a country plunges into anarchy. But CAGW is a totally made up problem that is easily distinguished from past environmental challenges, like clean air and water, disease and manure.

Before the words 'climate change' passes your lips again please explain the meaning of this graph:

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The Earth atmosphere was, and is, dangerously low in Co2. The plants need it. They grow better with it and die without it.

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Easter Island is actually a better argument for building the wall:

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By the time of European arrival in 1722, the island's population was estimated to be 2,000–3,000. European diseases, Peruvian slave raiding expeditions in the 1860s, and emigration to other islands, e.g. Tahiti, further depleted the population, reducing it to a low of 111 native inhabitants in 1877.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island


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A series of devastating events killed or removed most of the population in the 1860s. In December 1862, Peruvian slave raiders struck. Violent abductions continued for several months, eventually capturing around 1,500 men and women, half of the island's population.[34] Among those captured were the island's paramount chief, his heir,

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Tuberculosis, introduced by whalers in the mid-19th century, had already killed several islanders when the first Christian missionary, Eugène Eyraud, died from this disease in 1867. About a quarter of the island's population succumbed along with him. In the following years, the managers of the sheep ranch and the missionaries started buying the newly available lands of the deceased, and this led to great confrontations between natives and settlers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island



Keep out them danged furiners!

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