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Re: Winning: Land O’ Lakes Offers Health Plans Nearly 50% Cheaper than Obamacare


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Lucid,

If you mean the group health plan, wrong.



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"...Land O’ Lakes..(has) created America’s first AHP, or a self-insured multi-state insurance pool available for farmers who work within the company’s network."



I don't care about what farmers in land o' lakes network get access to, and I don't care what christian biz co-ops have access to. I care what I have access to. Showing me a specific plan that only specific people can access means nothing.

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What it shows, my friend, is that we have empirical evidence that small to mid-sized groups can set up successful insurance schemes. We don't need all 300 million-plus of us forced into "the system" to "make insurance work."

We were designed as a 50 State experimental system. They had the Fed level set up so that rights were restrictions on the Feds from doing things to us citizens.

The idea of rights being goods and services that the Feds either inflate or tax their way to be able to pay for was never the idea, until the discovery that demagogues made in ancient Athens got repeated here.

They, we, and so many other generally democratic Governments have made democracy a very corrupt mess.

The examples these two disparate insurance groups give us offer a sound rebuttal to "one cannot do this on a small scale."

Yes, we can! Ironic use of that phrases, but it fits.


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What it shows, my friend, is that we have empirical evidence that small to mid-sized groups can set up successful insurance schemes.



Great, now they just need to offer them to any random person and we'll have something cheaper and better than what we can currently get through Obamacare. The thing is though, if such a plan were available to anyone and not just farmers, and if it were in fact Obamacare compliant as the article suggests, then it could be accessible through Obamacare.

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Nice. Nice post Doc.

Lucid is a Bernie Bro. He wants communism, literally.

Time to look away from your games and get a clue, Lucid.
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Lucid is a Bernie Bro. He wants communism, literally.

Time to look away from your games and get a clue, Lucid.



Time to actually engage in the discussion instead of making ad hominem attacks.

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The situation as it is answers your question, Lucid.

Obamacare came on top of decades of Fed and State intertwinement in the Health sector. Insane Asylums have almost disappeared, and the homeless wrecks are the result. We can thank the well meaning folks who destroyed the terror-filled warehouses of the insane for the unintended result on our streets, sidewalks, parks, alleys, etc.

Hospitals have long become Crony Capitalism partnerships between Gov, Insurance Companies, and the Hospital Corporations.

Obamacare took much of that over, simply intensifyinig the interwinement.

Private doctors for the well off have survived here, in Canada, and the UK. All three of us also still have a small sector of much less Fed-entwined and regulated hospitals than almost all Hospitals are. Very few of these, and all small.

Self-isured groups such as this thread starts with show that the wide diversity of our 300 million plus is not met with one big thing.

As our tech, from AI, to printing lost of new things all the time, including drugs keeps improving, the last thing we need is to abandon the old 50 State Model and stick with the Obamacare model being forced on us all.

Its still there! Enjoy it if ye will.

As long as not all have to, and we can keep figuring out new ways to do this and that, we are all likely to benefit.

"Win-win" lies much more in that direction, than in the old industrial-medicine model best shown by the Brit NHS.


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I don't have any problem with small groups doing whatever they want with their health insurance, I care about what I can buy. Right now, Obamacare is far better than the previous status quo because I can easily compare plans from different companies and I know that I have a certain minimum level of coverage with no surprises. Show me an alternative to Obamacare that does the same for cheaper and I'll jump on board.

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Right now, Obamacare is far better than the previous status quo because . . .



Factually incorrect, as Doc has demonstrated, liar.
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Right now, Obamacare is far better than the previous status quo because . . .



Factually incorrect, as Doc has demonstrated, liar.



I explained why it is better for me, but you're welcome to disagree and not use the marketplace.

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Free people should not be beholden to you because you can't take care of yourself.
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