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Rethinking Superdeterminism


The purpose of this paper is to explain why the existing objections to Superdeterminism are based on experience with classical physics and linear systems, but that this experience misleads us. Superdeterminism is a promising approach not only to solve the measurement problem, but also to understand the apparent nonlocality of quantum physics. Most importantly, we will discuss how it may be possible to test this hypothesis in an (almost) model independent way.

Witness science coming to grips with God.
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I had seen, but not read a discussion on a mailing group I signed up with over 20 years ago, after the Extropian purge. These peeps have gotten into deeply crunchy maths (Euro term) to explain the universe or rather declaim each other. Super determinism? WTF? How does this help us. You bring forth Hossenfelder's paper and thus it forced me to look up Supe'.

This assigns John Bell as the big mahoff, after Einstein Rosen and Podolsky, and yeah, it sounds fascinating and yes, maybe theological. Here is a short short paper, and all you need do is scroll down to the bottom where it quotes Aus philosopher, Huw Price. :-D

https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/superdeterminism.html

So does physicist Jack Sarfatti when he considers time to be retro-causal (slides).
https://www.slideshare.net/elsavonlicy/jack-sarfattisavile041915v1

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My hypothesis is that physics is an illusion. It is a kind of story that seems to follow rules only because stories with rules are better. At any point, those rules could change or be violated if the storyteller deviates from the established pattern. The only authentic dynamic is consciousness, which moves through the story as a train moves down tracks:

https://spikosauropod.com/2014/04/25/consciousness-a-simple-model/
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I read it and have emotional trouble just seeing "The Place," as illusion. This is my bad, but there ya go, human stubbornness in all it's glory. You'll have to cook up some evidence however conjectural, like a law of physics at work indicating this. However now that I recall, there was a link I placed from Prisco, that possibly suggests what you say. Let me go grab the link and I will close this post out for now. One moment.
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Here it is, I posted it a few days ago.

https://bescapevelocity.runboard.com/t10846
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To me, the obvious implication of Bell's theorem and subsequent superdeterminism is that the whole scenario is already laid out in its entirety and we are merely moving through it. This is actually an application of Occam's razor. If it reads like a storyboard, it probably is one.

Possibly, the story was generated by an algorithm before we were given access to it...lending credence to its superficially causal nature. After all, movies are filmed long before we go to the theater. This, of course, is a dynamically interactive movie.

My theory is robust, since it perfectly explains the experience of wave function collapse.
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I should add that this whole scenario where we are sentient beings able to comprehend the universe and able to see billions of light-years into the surrounding space is just too preposterous. We should know better, but our complacency is pandemic.
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The past is not predetermined just as the future is not predetermined.

Quantum error correction software probes the past and future for the best outcome of an organism or system. This reorganizes the timelines of all things. Events cluster together, reinforcing those timelines.

The past can change. This causes the future to change. Because consciousness is a time-reversible web router.

Eventually, after so much error correction, homeostasis occurs. The past and future line up perfectly.
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Eventually, after so much error correction, homeostasis occurs. The past and future line up perfectly.


This is an idea I have thought about quite a bit.

I once had an idea for an automatic control mechanism that was designed to make sure no one wondered into a certain part of the woods. Whenever it detected a person, it sent a particle back in time one month. If the person still showed up, it sent another particle back in time one month. This had the effect of changing the time-stream just enough so that the person might go a different way. It kept doing this until it got the desired result.

In my variant of superdeterminism, everything that happens is already decided, but conscious beings have a choice as to which path their consciousness follows. Every path is already laid out, but the choice of path is left to the one following it.
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Witness science coming to grips with homeopathy.

Witness science coming to grips with telepathy.

Witness science coming to grips with the nature of the soul.

Witness science coming to grips with free will.
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