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As we live in a world of States, and imagine a world of superabundance...
Many leaders are megalomaniacs. Some who aren't understand the concept and are good at it.
The result may be presaged by our history to this point. We've been at an almost steady state of no nations being taken over, with the exception of my US knocking over Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan, and China taking over Tibet.
That relative peace apart from that was based largely on the threat of war with the US and its' allies.
However this all changes to progress to amazing times - countries like the US, UK, and the Euros wont be taking anyone over, probably. We're really the worst likely culprit, using the excuse that we keep using - "It's for (their own/the worlds) good."
If not us, some other or others are probably going to go further than China is now. Or than Iran is, planting limpet mines above a ships' waterline, then coming over to "rescue" them.
As States get newly powerful today, we see them taking chances almost none took with us in the past.
That will happen more and more, with conflicts being much more prevalent. The analogy with China and Iran is that advancing tech will give advanced weapons and tactics to many, many, who as Spike notes will be able to do "mad scientist" stuff.
Spud has posted about hypersonic Carrier-killer missiles. Heck - off the shelf drones can carry weapons across borders.
Drone tech could fly many drones from supply ships pulling into some major port in any country on one of many foggy port early mornings...and devastate the city with mass drone strikes doing specifically this or that.
Imagine some bioweapon or infectious psychotic spore being spread.
Thats nothing - the imagination reels with capabilities many millions, or more, among the earths billions will have.
As the most advanced nations do what? Maybe we'll huddle protected behind AI spun webs of cyber and nano and whatever kind of cool protection?
It can go really bad, good - the steps from here to some "Star Trek cool future" or other cool future could get very dicey.
The fictional "Star Trek cool future" had a world war before it got to be a cool, great place.
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8/2/2019, 6:30 pm
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quote: augmented humans would still be far more capable than non-augmented humans.
Augmented:
Non-augmented:
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Let me attempt to explain this issue in a way that makes the dilemma we face unmistakable.
By the time humans start making their way into space in force, there will be approximately 10 billion humans in the world. Out of those ten billion humans, there will be one that wants to turn the sun into a matrioshka brain and one that wants, instead, to break up several planets and create a dozen earths that orbit between 0.5 and 1.5 AU.
Self-replicating technology will make it possible for a person who has only the means to acquire one relatively cheap self-replicating system to start manufacturing and transforming material into new technology at an exponential rate.
With self-replicating technology, it would otherwise be possible for both persons described above to complete their plans in about 100 years. However, there is a problem. The plans are mutually exclusive. One can be done or the other, but not both.
If either person decides to go to some other star system to realize their plans, it will take them at least 16 years and, more likely, hundreds of years to get there. That kind of patience may be difficult to procure. Moreover, when they get there, someone else will likely arrive before, at the same time, or soon after who has radically different and incompatible plans. If their plans are thwarted, they will have to spend likely hundreds of years moving on to a new system.
That is just two people. Among ten billion people, there are likely to be millions of people with similarly ambitious plans and the material means to carry them out. With so many people having such disparate plans, and the material means to carry them out, there will have to be strict laws and regulations and a government to enforce them. What will that government be like?
Doc's post above suggests that he gets the problem. I wonder if anyone does?
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>You should not even consider performing a procedure on someone without their explicit consent<
In that case, we should ban vets (since animals are unable to give explicit consent) and trauma surgeons (since a person who is so injured they are rendered unconscious likewise cannot give consent),
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If the one who wants to turn the solar system into a matrioska brain accomplishes its goal first, it would be possible to accommodate all other goals. For they could be accomplished within a virtual environment rendered by the immense computational ability of the MB. It’s even possible that our reality already *is* an ancestor simulation.
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"I want to make victorious peace."
Ex, if only you could see yourself through my eyes!
So, we won't need a government to decide what does and does not get done with resources. We will all just follow your lead!
♫ Hi didly dicer
It's off to Ex's slicer! ♪
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You are a spaghetti monster sometimes controlling a sack of flesh and sometimes being controlled by that sack of flesh and, or being controlled by other sacks of flesh or other spaghetti monsters, or microscopic monsters or a giant ball of fire while being held down by an enormous clump of metal and dirt (and sometimes forced to try and control them).
--- You’re cute when you’re angry is not always true.
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We are a spirit that shadows a spaghetti monster:
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