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In Soviet Venezuela-Child beg in the streets for their families


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The streets of any capitalist city have beggars, too. Although I cannot recall seeing any children, so maybe that’s justification for calling that system ‘better’?
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Extro,

I think this is a far paraphrase - "Capitalism has beggars. Maybe fewer or no child beggars is one way to judge Capitalism as better."

Is that sort of a defense against the "lookey! Look here! Looser Socialists!" theme?

I would leave it up to you, and I trust your judgement, to decide if the US or Venezuela is a better system.

I would be surprised if you choose Venezuela, and then would ask you apply the "so, choose which you would move to today" rule. But I doubt that clarification step would really be necessary.
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Whatever the communists have brought to Venezuela, it was far worse than the Mil dictators did. The Hippocratic Oath is, First do no harm. The communists have done far worse now than the generals did before.
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Spud,

If the Commies, or their mix of equally cold hearted and starry-eyed, love filled Socialist cohorts adopted the "first do no harm" ethic, they would never "get out of the gate."

To paraphrase the Russkie Commie early, secret, inner circle speech - "We gonna have to kill and screw over so many peeps - we gonna have to lie like a M*-F* to push this B*tch along."
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True, Doc-moreover, I do not think that there exists any difference between Stalin and socialists. Sans, Stalin's public purity "morals," over the bodies of millions.
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It is a bit silly to say there is no difference between socialists and Stalin. The NHS may have problems but I wouldn’t want to compare either the politicians who passed the laws that established it, or its hard-working doctors, nurses and porters, with a man who was responsible for 50 million deaths.

I agree that Doc’s phrasing is better.
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I stand corrected, however, the socialists seem to have been co-opted by this weird collection of billionaires and marxists, calling themselves Progressives. Funded, in large part, by Soros and Juncker. You remember George? He tried to sink the Pound in the 90's?
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Thanks Extro.

Spud, we only differ in that you are as firmly harsh to your opponents that I. As have been several friends from various points of my life.

I hope you end up in less trouble than absolutely all of the ones I am thinking of did as a result. In times of national extreme distress such harsh firmness is needed - I hope those qualities are not needed on a national scale anytime soon!

And Soros! Ah, that incredible villain. An article regarding Hungary has a relevant part about him:

"The nation (Hungary) also placed the blame for mass migration on pro-migrant NGOs, many of which are funded by left-wing billionaire George Soros who is originally from Hungary. Prime Minister Orbán has claimed the EU is following the “migrant plan” of Soros."

From -

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/15/hungary-take-rejected-christian-asylum-seeker-sweden/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29

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Extro, your NHS is one aspect of your quasi-socialism that is shared by the UK, Canada, and the US. Our Obamacare is much more like Canada's system than like the NHS.

All three have high taxes and lots of regulatory control over business and personal lives and property. Over there, you have seen in the recent past the EU harshly criticize Ireland for lower business taxes and regs because companies jumped over there, fleeing the continental EU States much as for many years.

Similarly, over here, companies and rich citizens of the US State of California have long been fleeing it for other, lower tax and reg US States.

Now the EU has criticized the US as it has Ireland in the past for lowering taxes and regs.

Venezuela offered an example of how corrupt socialism can garner extreme international plaudits from elites. It did so in the early years of Chavez, even as he was setting the stage for today by corruptly awarding national oil infrastructure jobs to political cronies.

The various issues of quasi-socialist policies, more and more services offered for free - Maggie explained the end game.

And you have explained what was a surprise to many of us - that Marx, while he got so much wrong, joined many of that era in thinking that our now predicted "abundance from capitalism" would come much sooner.

Hopefully we get closer to it before the problems with ever more benefit spending pile up too high for you folks.







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