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The United KingDUMB 2044
The year is 2044 its 25 years since the collapse of the United Kingdom. Those that survived The Third Holocaust stumble through the ruined remains of what once was where civilized people lived.
This hadn’t happened overnight; people had long feared the threat of a nuclear war transforming everything overnight. But instead, The Clueless English, as The Brexiteers were later renamed, threw the entire population of the UK froglike into an føckìng stupid pan of water and stupidly, and føckìng pointlessly got slowly boiled into lawless anarchy. When things got too bad the rich just left, leaving the rest of us to wallow in Hell.
There is no Singularity here. Nor will there be. Whilst the rest of Western Civilization basks in a Techno EUtopia. The UK had been reduced to an ex-developed world status. In an increasingly connected world, it was absurd to fragment yourself off from the collective. The Singularity is about interconnecting the world. And anyway, The Beliefs of “The Chosen One” dictated that the Universe was an ever complexifying machine – atom by atom reorganizing matter from the randomness to an all-knowing God – The Supreme Equation. We are but a ballet of atoms dancing to the tune of the Laws of Physics (whatever they turn out to be.)
To disconnect entities such as Trade Collectives is to decomplexify. But here’s the thing, maybe the system is simplifying some variable and by plucking the UK out of the Collective to cause some greater good. In fact, all terrible things this equation of self-organization throws up is, in reality, creating a chain reaction of consequences that bring a greater value of the good in the long term.
Consequently, this self-organizing God at the end of time is dishing out misery and misfortune on a moment by moment basis. Millions must die of famine and disease in order to benefit the greater good. So next time there’s some natural disaster or terrorist attack just shrug your shoulders and accept its Gods will. All this suffering so he can create himself in the future.
And the first thing God asked me on entry to the Afterlife is “Can you forgive me?”
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Ah - let the remainers rejoice! For Operation Fear has been seeded in enough minds that it springs into many Forums and Blogsites.
Happily, the UK has been offered primo trading status with us, the biggerst world economy.
And the EU wouldn't abandon the Yuge market for German and French exports by waging Econ war on the UK to punish it for leaving.
If they do, it won't be for long, as their own constituents will not tolerate too long of their own personal pain relating to their economies suffering. If that does happen, in that time, the US and many, many other countries would be open to trading with it.
The UK gave the world the computer, radar, and sonar. Thats just in the WW II era. Since then, growing PC has meant that it's been mostly an example of how wrong PC can go in a country we can sort of understand - at least much more than any other except Canada. So - a very valuable lesson!
No, Professor. I will bet with you that the UK will prosper either almost immediately, or not long after it finally does it's Brexit.
I believe that is when, not if, Brexit finally actually happens.
After all, as it looks like it will be PM Boris "Making Great Britain Great Again."
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6/20/2019, 11:37 am
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Oh Brexit is definitely happening. Soon the poor will start to get pregnant just to provide a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas.
As for the timeframe for economic recovery - even top leaveophile jacob rees mogg says it may take 30 years for the Uk economy to benefit from leaving - fortunately he's worth £100 million quid so has nothing to worry about. As a Singularitarian I find it laughable that anyone can think they have factored all the changes that are going to happen in the next 30 years to make such a prediction.
Boris is a bumbling, privileged, racist, posh womble. He will resign on Nov 1st.
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6/21/2019, 3:35 am
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>In an increasingly connected world, it was absurd to fragment yourself off from the collective.<
One thing that differentiates Brexiteers from Remainers, is that Brexiteers distinguish between Europe (its people and their cultures) and the European Union (a wannabe political superstate).
You might compare this with having no problem with the ordinary folk of the Soviet Union, but being very skeptical of Stalin or Kruschev’s or Yeltsin’s politburo.
On the other hand, Remainers make no distinction between the EU and Europe, so any talk of departing from the EU sounds to them like sticking two fingers up at all the French and the Germans and the Italians.
Technological innovations like 5G networks and decentralised ledger technology like hashgraph make it easier than ever for people who are geographically distant to trade with each other and set up businesses. With that in mind, one can see that Daniel Hannah was right when he said, “we have outgrown a top-down construct..a hangover of an age when freight costs were high and refrigeration expensive and regional trade blocs looked like the future. That world has been made completely redundant by technological advance. This is the age of the Internet, of cheap flights, of Skype. It is as easy to do business with a company in New Zealand as a company in France. In fact, easier, because the Kiwi company will be English-speaking and follow common law”.
Hannan’s reference to ‘common law’ highlights a difference between the UK and the EU’s legal system. The UK legal system is based, as Hannan said, on ‘common law’. Essentially, this means the a citizen of the UK can do whatever he or she likes unless the law expressly says something is forbidden.
In contrast, EU law is based on Civil Law. Under Civil Law, you are a slave of the State and are forbidden from doing anything unless it explicitly states that X is permitted.
So, whereas under the UK’s common law deregulation rules and only when it is apparent that restrictions should apply are laws prescribed to enforce a bit more regulation, under the EU’s civil law the first instinct upon any new innovation is to immediately pass a law. As Hannan said, ‘the idea that lack of regulation might be a natural condition, that you shouldn’t need a licence from the government before embarking on a new venture, is regarded as an Anglo-Saxon eccentricity”.
Now, the rest of Europe has a way of dealing with this obsessive use of the regulatory stamp. This methodology was explained by Tory peer Max Beloff in 1994. Continentals are “prepared to vote for anything at Brussels in the confident knowledge that they will only enforce what suits them”. On the other hand, the British political and legal system treats any and every law as something the MUST BE OBEYED. No wonder, then, that there has long been a feeling that daily life in the UK is restricted by the goings on in Brussels.
Finally, I can’t resist quoting Hannan’s attack on the people running the EU.
“We fought a civil war in this country to establish the principle that laws should not be passed nor taxes raised except by our own elected representatives. And now, supreme legislative and executive power is held not just by people that you did not vote for, but people who generally owe their position to having just lost election, like Peter Mandleson and Neil Kinnock. It is only when they have been expressly rejected by their electrorates, that they are invited to come and legislate for us anyway!”.
The EU is a creaking, sclerotic protection racket made up of career politicians and bureaucrats getting in the way of free trade. Brexiteers saw this and took the opportunity to say ‘screw that’. Whether we will actually free ourselves, rather than be forced to stay in by the actions of Remoaners, is another matter...
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Thus gambling returns to the fore! Lean forward on the rail, wait for it, it's about to happen...
A pregnant moment is nearing...Prof Falken obliquely refers to the old Victorian sarcastic notion of the poor eating their children in service of his personal embodiment of the "Operation Fear Ethos."
The Remoaner Elites and masses have widely-shared other, equally extreme ideas in service of that view. Such as, for instance, that Leavers are generally scum.
For a while they quite openly discussed fighting and even reversing the Brexit Referendum results.
A solid amount of time and effort was spent on that, branding the campaign as a fight for a "Peoples Vote."
That effort to "Trump" the Brexit Referendum got short shrift in the end. As it should have, along the lines laid out reading that fine description of an overall "Brit zeitgeist" I just read in the prior post.
For those who lived in "Old Blighty" as the currents swirled, twisted, eddied - it may indeed seem as though Brexit is a mirage that will always stay out there...some time into the future...maybe when we finally get commercial Fusion power!
No - Boris is en-route. He may well even retire shortly after, as Prof F. predicts!
But not in failure, as the good Prof may think. No...I think if that departure is so soon, it will be a Moses-like, Farage-like departure.
One where he sees the promised land has arrived, and it is time for a different leader to lead in that new land.
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>For a while they quite openly discussed fighting and even reversing the Brexit Referendum results.<
They still do. Whenever Brexit is discussed you can guarantee that somebody will be talking about a second referendum or ‘People’s Vote’.
Some cynic (might have been Mark Twain or maybe Jonathan Swift) once said ‘If voting changed anything, they would abolish it’.
The Brexit referendum showed that this was not quite correct. Rather, if somehow a vote for real change does win, rather than abolish voting altogether the Establishment works to frustrate efforts to actually implement those changes, comes up with a bunch of excuses as to why the results should be considered null and void (‘the Ruskies secretly manipulated the results so the vote doesn’t count’; ‘targeted campaigning on Facebook violated cost controls so the vote doesn’t count’; Martian mind-control guided thy hand to the ‘Leave’ box on the ballot paper so the vote doesn’t count’) and then they go and make the populace vote again in a rigged referendum where the only options are a deal nobody wants and the result they want. Furthermore, by now everybody knows that this second Referendum was pushed through by those who cannot be trusted to honour the result of Referendums when the vote does not go their way. Leave won the first Referendum partly because it was able to convince those that had given up on democracy to have one more go, to actually make the effort to cast a vote because this time it WOULD count. If, as is likely, they will instead discover that their vote counted for nothing and the public will be made to vote again (only this time there will be no Leave option, only the choice between a deal soundly rejected three times and Remain) does anybody think they would vote? Why would they, now that it has been confirmed that their vote (actually, everybody’s) is worthless?
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Interesting my OP got a bigger response over the Brexit issue rather than the long term issue of The Singularity. I guess the point I'm making is that government policy should entirely be dictated through the lens of Singularity Technology. When you can 3d print virtually any object you desire trade agreements divide by zero.
The world is going mad with ever more extreme and bizarre ideologies led by increasingly unhinged individuals of privilege føcking it up for everyone else. Many lapping up the changes that are going to ruin them
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Exy = spot on, regarding the EU governmental system. A mafia, like the Soviet Politburo. I cannot speak for UK citizens (or are you now all EU citizens?), so what do you get out of Jean Claude Junckers' rule, benefit-wise???
Falken, alluded to a dearth of social bennies making unwed mothers seek a meal ticket? At least we'd occasionally have nominally, English, children produced, as opposed to Labor's Mohammad crowd-who are raised never to be British, ya know, they're Kuffar.
Let me ask you guys, how many Muslims actually come in from the heat, as in, participate as UK citizens, as opposed to "South Asian colonists." I am thinking the Hindus, and Jain's, Sikhs, have less of an issue here.
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That's an interesting question spud. I currently live in an area of SW England that has comparatively low Asian population - but as a kid i lived in a town with a significant Asian population. I had a couple of Pakistani friends i hung out with, not my best pals, but friends. They observed Ramadan and went to mosque. They had to put up with loads of racist abuse (I'm talking teenagers at school). So there were a bunch of Asian kids at school and they didnt form a clique and mixed with everyone.
That was the 80s, I wonder what it's like to be an Asian in school in the light of radical Islam. It may be different.
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I'm hoping that integration does actually work. Or, continues to work. I think the actual participation of the Pakistanis in UK life is considered a success, only because the UK keeps a low bar on integration. When multiculti is a 1 way street, turnout is low. Yeah, I am well-aware of the "Malfoy Effect" throughout, British history and today. Despite this, the party of hate, is not the snobbish Conservatives, or Wanker Liberals, but Jeremy's crew.
Your previous statement on "the Sing," approaches (my oppy) a sort of religious tinge. This, is another sort of ideology, entirely. So I have to ask, where are you IF the sing is far off, if Jesus takes his time returning, (as it has been despite Matt 24?)?
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