Courtney Dickson
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Re: What are the rules of Heaven and Hell?
We have gay and lesbian priests.
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12/15/2018, 12:11 am
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Extropia DaSilva
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>OK, so let's start there. How do you know it is a horrific experience? Have you been predated by wolves recently?<
If all you have are stupid questions like these I do not see how I can get much out of discussing matters with you. I might regain interest when you stop being so silly. Until then take care and good luck finding your mathematical proof of the existence of god.
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quote: If all you have are stupid questions like these I do not see how I can get much out of discussing matters with you. I might regain interest when you stop being so silly. Until then take care and good luck finding your mathematical proof of the existence of god.
I surmise that you already know you are beat. Mate in five.
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Spiko what you smokin?
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12/16/2018, 12:14 am
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It's not WHAT I am smokin, but THAT I am smokin...hot, that is!
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Extropia DaSilva
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If I were beat I would publicly say so, just like I always do when I am shown to be wrong. I certainly would not fall back on philosophical positions I don’t even believe in but which I know to be impossible to answer one way or the other just so I can avoid conceding a point to my opposition. You are obviously not above this cheap move.
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quote: impossible to answer one way or the other
That is my point. You cannot truly understand anyone's experience but your own. That is one reason why the observation of suffering is an invalid argument against the existence of an omnipotent and omnibeneficient God.
Another reason is that we may not understand the role of suffering in our experience. If you have never seen it, you should watch a movie called Mindwarp (1992). It is actually an allegory of the teleological nature of suffering.
I have often speculated that if we are eventually able to end suffering and death, it may be necessary to raise new members of society in simulations where they experience the kind of suffering we experience now so that they will fully appreciate the advantages of living without suffering. Otherwise, every new person is likely to be a "spoiled brat". God may allow suffering for that identical purpose.
It is also possible that the only way to create a quality spirit is to subject it to a great deal of suffering. There is a saying: "The best steal must go through the fire." Maybe that is true in a spiritual sense as well as a psychological one.
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Ugh, suffering. I mean what are the imaginary goals of such an afterlife. My idea is the idea that our continued or re-up'd, existence, might be useful to God? Maybe?
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>You cannot truly understand anyone's experience but your own<
Rubbish. We are not condemned to a life of absolute selfish solipsism, with no hope of ever acquiring some understanding of and empathy for the subjectivity of others. Your attempts to persuade me to see things from your point of view betrays your openness to the possibility that some approximation of mutual understanding is achievable. So don’t bother defending your faith with notoriously stubborn philosophies, for all it does is highlight to me how weak they are.
Of course ‘god’ can be made compatible with the world around us. It is an almost infinitely malleable fiction that comes in a bewildering number of versions. That is what makes it simultaneously one of our greatest ideas and the least useful ‘not even wrong’ idea ever conceived. This is good for you because it means if you are deluded you will never have to face up to this reality and can continue to hide behind sophisticated pseudo-arguments.
Just-so stories justifying the weird beliefs of bronze-aged igoramuses who knew no science impresses me not.
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