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Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
The trends in the electorate and the polity get more complicated
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/kyrsten-sinema-arizona-senator.html
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
This is what happens during the Trump administration when the GOP doesn't have Hillary to use as a boogeyman. Trump has the support of his base, but the rest of the country is rejecting his rhetoric.
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
Arizona is not all that complicated. Mexican immigrants and descendants tend to vote Dem. That's not slur or myth, rather it is what Dems have noted and confidently expected for many years.
We can see the same example in California. It used to be reliably Repub. Now, along with having only 5 Repubs elected to the House from Cali, LA could be a South or Central American metropolis at a glance.
As to Arizona - the State may have elected her or not. Yes, the Repub candidate may have either exhausted her rights to challenge the results, and to get an examination of the ballots and machines. If so, its over.
But its possible that She may simply have exhausted her will - she may simply have given up.
That's the Repub tradition in these cases. If so, its a long shot, but in that case it may not be over. She could "revive her hopes" if there is still any legal option.
Contrast that with Georgia, where the Dem candidate whose effort to win by lucky recount has failed. That sturdy Dem is trying to start a larger recount effort by promoting some kind of popular call for it.
I'd like to recruit her for training our Repub candidates. Man - we could sure use that kind of persistent drive!
As for the projected winner - she defies currently evolving Dem tradition - she is no simple "2018 Dem."
She is a very conservo, very "Republican" Dem. Pro-border controls for one thing.
So this is sad, yes, but part of a long-term anticipated demographic trend, thus not "tragic." Unless of course it is part of the long tragedy of Dem electoral theft that Red has noted here:
http://bescapevelocity.runboard.com/t4453
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
quote: greendocnowciv wrote:
Arizona is not all that complicated. Mexican immigrants and descendants tend to vote Dem.
"Mexican immigrants" who legally vote are also called "American citizens".
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
Indeed. Yet to assume that only legal voters vote in any jurisdiction is certainly arguable.
Thus - "Mexican Immigrants and their children" is a legitimate usage, which covers more of the relevant population than to narrow it to cits.
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
quote: greendocnowciv wrote:
Thus - "Mexican Immigrants and their children" is a legitimate usage, which covers more of the relevant population than to narrow it to cits.
Sure, you can certainly narrow down voters however you want. There are two issues here, one is that you perceive there are many non-citizens voting, and the other is that the demographics of many states (and in fact the entire country) are changing over time.
As far as non-citizens voting - Arizona has voter ID laws, so I have a hard time believing that a significant amount of non-citizens are voting. Of course it is possible, but I'm not willing to jump to that conclusion without compelling evidence that it is widespread.
As far as the changing demographics - The country is getting less white, and the minorities are making up a larger and larger share of the electorate. This isn't inherently a problem unless you think the country is better off with more white people. If the changing demographics scare you because you're worried about the Republicans losing power, then you should worry more about the way Republicans reach out to minorities and less about the way the country's demographics are changing. I'm not going to try and argue which party is actually better for minorities because we both know that particular argument will go nowhere, but it is clear that minorities tend to believe that the Democrats better represent them. That is something the Republicans need to work on if they want to hold power as demographics continue to shift.
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"Minorities" is often meaning simply "non-White" in many uses. Much like diversity, or diverse. As in, referring to a non-White guy: "He's diverse."
In Hawaii, Whites are a minority compared to all non-Whites, but still may be the biggest demo.
Especially if the Polynesians are broken down into Hawaiians, Tongans and Samoans. They certainly break each other down that way.
And racist interpretations and accusations regarding Mexicans and other Hispanics? Racism is loosing power as Dems have tossed that at Repubs for over a generation.
In '16 we shocked and amazed. We won thirty of the fifty States. The Dems have been hitting the ground in all the States since Hillary blew it, trying to make up the lost ground. Yet...
We still kept more of our Congy seats than the average losses in a "first Term mid-term."
Two years till the next big contest!
And the fights have been on since the first working day after the election night. We have a Repub President who is not immediately apologizing for days, or giving up, or backing down. We certainly will see in two years which team is more ready.
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
Another seat stolen by the Dems. When was the last time a Republican stole as seat? And don't say Bush.
We either crush the Left or the Left will crush America.
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
Heres' a House Seat that the Dems may well have stolen.
No proof, but having been born in an incredibly corrupt Dem run city, when I read that 8000 absentee ballots were counted overnight from one "Dem stronghold" county and - gosh, shocker - the Repub victory turned into a Dem victory...
I want those ballots and the chain of custody checked. So does the now-losing candidate:
https://apnews.com/8bcc21313d234ab3b49d260b87db16af
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Re: Arizona elects Democratic Senator for first time in almost 3 decades
More news from Arizona dems show their thuggery.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/38421/trump-fan-wears-maga-hat-town-ends-broken-ankle-james-barrett
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