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Jesus magical superbeing or lunatic?


Jesus was either a magical superbeing (God himself in human form) or a mentally ill delusionist that believed himself to be so.

There are countless individuals throughout history that make similar claims (check any mental health ward). The Jesus meme just happens to be one that has gained traction.

Christianity is a crazy mass delusion. As too are all other deity religions. The fact that billions of humans believe in such nonsense and guide their lives (and impose their beliefs on nonbelievers) with unenlightened iron age ideology reveals why the world is such a mess.

Imagine a world where people used reason to guide their thinking rather than some pre-science stories of myth.



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Jesus was probably not a historical figure:

http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/jesuspuzzle/index.htm

To the extent that he was historical, he was probably a pastiche of other possibly ahistorical figures, many of whom are described by Josephus.

Like all medieval ideologies, Christianity had its excesses in the middle ages.

Christians are not insane, and we already know from past discussions that you do not have a sufficient grasp of the philosophy or its adherents to make an assessment.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results....like these repeated assaults on a faith that has nothing to do with our mission statement.
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I'm sorry to see you buy into the 'Jesus was a myth' story, Spike. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (at least some of them) were written within 50 years of Christ's death, and contain information from eye-witnesses of Jesus.

I think we can be pretty certain Jesus was a historical figure. As to all the miracles, well . . .
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I think we can be pretty certain Jesus was a historical figure.


It has been a long time since I was interested in that topic. I merely wished to point out the absurdity of suggesting that Jesus may have been insane when the real skeptics doubt he even existed.

If you want to debate the historical status of Jesus with the Professor, be my guest. If either of you says something I can take seriously, I may even add a comment or two.
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Any of you ever heard of a Jewish Roman citizen who is now well known as a historian in the Augustinian era referred to sometimes as Josephus?

This article a critical discussion of his writings.

It settles on the idea that Josephus at minimum recorded the existence, crucifixion, and reported resurrection of a Jew named Jesus, along with the continued existence of his followers teaching others to follow Jesus:

https://carm.org/regarding-quotes-historian-josephus-about-jesus

So, better evidence than Islam, as mention of Muhammed doesnt come in until several hundred years after the most modern accepted versions of the Koran say he was born and grew up and all.

Not better than Judaism, as it incorporates Judaism. So it cannot be valid without Judaism.

All the others - in the 21st Century, most branches of Christianity are complimentary and open to other religions. But to the athiests who have a wish to insult us - step up and give it your best shot.

Some of us will joust. Most of us have learned the applicability of "meh" from our Jewish forebearers.


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Of course you are correct spike about the verasity of the historical Jesus. However if you believe that guy did exist you have to accept he was either a magical superbeing or a loon. And given there are loads of examples of people who claim to be devine it would seem likely that billions of people devoutly follow a loon.
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However if you believe that guy did exist you have to accept he was either a magical superbeing or a loon.


That is the quintessential false dichotomy. He may also have merely been very different from how he is portrayed in the Gospels. Maybe he taught about God (priceless lessons, I might add) but never actually claimed to be divine and never performed or claimed to perform miracles. Maybe he was, in fact, a manifestation of God, but not the Disneyesque wizard he has been made out to be. God could manifest as any man at any time and not necessarily do any "tricks". Christians believe he has done it only once, but that is just their opinion.

After our dog Diesel passed away, I was left with the unmistakable impression that he had been a visitation from God. I am not insane...just somewhat whimsical: Diesel was both God and dog.

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I actually have a theory about how God could be both God and a carnal creature. If you think of God as being a higher dimensional being, the carnal creature might be an intersection of God and our lower dimensional space.

Personally, I tend to believe that reality is less structured than materialists assume. I don't think it is necessarily the case the Jesus had to be historical or ahistorical. You may be aware of my theory of how the world could have been created in 4004 BC:

http://bescapevelocity.runboard.com/t1633

Jesus might have been a comparable phenomenon.

I was taught to think for myself, and I am grateful for that. However, I had friends who grew up in strict Christian households. The intelligent ones eventually learned to think for themselves. You can't make an intelligent person stupid by teaching them about God any more than you can make a child stupid by telling them there is a Santa Claus. No one was ever blocked from a promising career as a biologist because their parents told them there were no dinosaurs. On the other hand, if religion brings people comfort, who am I to deny it to them? The world is a big strange place and you and I are only visitors.
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Spike youve done a classic pseudoreligeous maneuver in bending Christianity into a shape so far removed from its roots its unrecognizeable. Its so wishywashy it borders on tiresome newagey-ness.

 I maintain that most Christians would define their faith on the premise that Christ was a devine being.
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I maintain that most Christians would define their faith on the premise that Christ was a devine being.


That is absolutely correct. So, are we discussing what Jesus was historically, or what he is assumed to be by the Christian faith? There is no scientific reason why the truth about either one makes the slightest difference in the other.

Suppose documents were uncovered showing that Abraham Lincoln had a secret delusion about being a messiah sent by God to free the slaves. Upon learning this, would African Americans revert to captivity? Would they all put their chains back on and head for the nearest plantation? What a man is and how his actions influence people's behavior are two different things.

I once heard it said that God speaks to us only through scheming con men. Wouldn't it be ironic if that turned out to be true!
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Per the theme of the thread, presumably we can all agree that Muhammed is claimed by believing Muslims to have had a magical flying horse, as is actually part of Islam.

Its part of a tale of him riding the flying horse to heaven, and back and forth many times.

The trips are supposed to have been part of haggling, doing negotiations to reduce the number of times God demands Muslims pray each day down from some large number to five.

A little discussed aspect of Islam. Sorta like "Zenu, the volcanos, etc" with the Scientologists.

So we would agree that Muhammed had a flying horse, or was a loon. Per the theme of the thread.

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