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So far as I can tell, when those on the Left talk about the ‘Far right’ they mean extremely authoritarian parties like the one lead by Hitler. Do not ask me how this is to be distinguished from socialist (and therefore leftist) parties that were also highly authoritarian such as the one lead by Mao, because I don’t know.

Spiko’s way of categorising seems more sensible to me.
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Does it ever make you ponder, Ex, why they laborites and Democrats never mention, the Ribbentrop - Molotov Pact of 1939, that initiated WW2? This sort of blows Leftist claims to ideological purity.

In the USA, folk singer Woody Guthrie, asked for his anti-hitler record back in exchange of a refund. I don't know what Guthrie did when Operation Barbarossa started in May 1941.
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So far as I can tell, when those on the Left talk about the ‘Far right’ they mean extremely authoritarian parties like the one lead by Hitler. Do not ask me how this is to be distinguished from socialist (and therefore leftist) parties that were also highly authoritarian such as the one lead by Mao, because I don’t know.



]Horseshoe theory. It makes a lot of sense, because it is easy to see why a person might support an authoritarian leader as long as that person agrees with the leader. "He may be an authoritarian, but he's my authoritarian."
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A conservative is not someone who is opposed to change or who wants to go back to the way things were before. A conservative is someone who is OK with how things are. If he does want to go back to how things were before, it is because he can see that a recent change is not a good fit.

A conservative is amenable to change, but change must come from reason and persuasion. You must show them what is wrong with the old way before they will consider a new way. The people who abolished slavery were not radicals, but thoughtful men.

Change without careful consideration is always dangerous, and a conservative is instinctively aware of this fact. There is a reason why precedent is paramount in law.

All radicals: communists, socialists, fascists, etc. are people who are dissatisfied with the status quo, largely because they are merely discontents; and who want change for change's sake. In Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky prescribes such change for its own sake. Stability is antithetical to Alinsky's creed.

The terms left and right are mislabelings. There is no left and right. There is only the center (people who are not discontents) and the periphery (every form of radical).

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The majority of liberals are urban.
The majority of conservatives are rural.

Why?

work in offices?
work in factories?
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>All radicals: communists, socialists, fascists, etc. are people who are dissatisfied with the status quo, largely because they are merely discontents; and who want change for change's sake<

I do not think that is entirely fair. You make it sound as though such people really have nothing to complain about, when it is pretty obvious that the societies they criticised were deeply flawed. One would have to be frankly psychopathic to learn of the conditions of the working classes in Victorian Britain and not feel the need for change. There would also be something deeply wrong with anyone who learns of the environmental cost of our contemporary consumerist societies and doesn’t see anything deeply concerning about such outcomes. The image of sea animals with guts full of plastic should distress us as much as tales of four year olds whose fingers were mangled after accidents in factories where child labour and health and safety laws were nonexistent.

If these dreamers are to be legimately criticised for anything it would be that they not only hope for a better society but that they act to bring it about before the infrastructure is in place to support it. This is understandable, because there is scant comfort in knowing that things could change but not in your lifetime or that of your children’s. But it can all too easily lead to disastrous consequences, which is something else you learn from history.
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One would have to be frankly psychopathic to learn of the conditions of the working classes in Victorian Britain and not feel the need for change.


One would have to be psychopathic to learn of the hardships imposed by illness and death and not feel the need for change. Although someone who declares that they want to end old age and death might be considered radical, no one who tries to cure the symptoms that lead to these things is considered radical.

Attempts to correct poor factory conditions were not radical, but the communist and fascist agendas that sometimes arose were both radical and harmful. A conservative fixes problems. A radical, more often than not, exacerbates them.

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@Anime
I am urban, I work in a computer center. The rural population is much much smaller than the urban. It may be that national and local propaganda centers (news), need to portray everyone they oppose as racist hicks.
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The far left has various groups. One is peaceful socialists who peacefully somehow expect rich and middle class and the poor who have started to build some equity - to give it up, divide it up somehow to some trusted organizers. And somehow that will work out.

The rest of the far left is various degrees of organized political machine groups aligned next to or with the Dems. Some use violence. Almost all the others ignore the violence from other "allies."

They all try to break the whole US system by blowing out the client numbers for all the "help" programs. That was a key Alinsky idea.

The far right extreme groups have these two: Peaceful along with piratical anarchists. Unlike the violent far left anarchists, these far right ones don't want to attack the current structure. The far right anarchic pirates would wait until real anarchy with no gov arrives - then they start "pirating."

The far right also have idealistic libertarians who believe they can survive with a range of zero to various slightly higher and higher levels of minimal state.

Other far right groups want a more strictly law-enforced version of todays America, with traditional education, certainly with no "diversity studies." Some of this part of the far right would break down with y/n on Gay and trans.

There's no comparable dictatorship to meet the lefty "dictatorship of the proletariat" in US "far rightyness."

There are "white identitarians" who range from non-supremacists to explicit supremacists. Their range among the above choices.

The various lefty race obsessed pro-black groups have a more elaborate, worked out system of race superiority and inferiority.

A Mexican group, La Raza, is translated several ways. One legit one is "the race," even though Mexican is no more a race than American.

Native Americans are very tribal identity conscious, but some are "pan indian" race conscious.

The same breakdown works for the three main Polynesian groups in Hawaii - the Tongans, Samoans, and Hawaiians.

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