Runboard.com
You're welcome.

runboard.com       Sign up (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?)


Page:  1  2 

 
Wayne Botha Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user
Global user

Registered: 01-2018
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


Spud, You forgot my post at KAI, where I showed that calculating all those killed during and after the capture of slaves, throughout history and still continuing in the present, makes the numbers reach beyond a billion, for Islam.

[sign in to see URL]
1/8/2018, 4:38 am Link to this post PM Wayne Botha Blog
 
Wayne Botha Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user
Global user

Registered: 01-2018
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


This is the info I posted at KAI:

quote:

...

Slavery, theologically & historically, an integral part of Islam

Despite widespread denials about the existence of slavery in Islam and the claim that Islam took the first step toward its abolition, slavery is indisputably a divinely sanctioned institution in Islam, which will stand valid until the end of the human race. In Islamic doctrine, slavery is integral in Allah’s eternal plan; it’s a part of His divine grace to humankind. All Schools of Islamic jurisprudence, the Sharia, and the religious doctors of Islam throughout history have unequivocally and proudly accepted and preached slavery as an integral part of Islam.

The great Islamic thinker Ibn Khaldun recognized mass enslavement of non-Muslims in gloating religious pride when Muslims had transformed Africa into a slave-hunting and -breeding ground.

In practicing slavery, writes Lewis, ‘‘(Muslims) were upholding an institution sanctioned by scripture, law (Sharia), and tradition (Sunnah) and one which in their eyes was necessary to the maintenance of the social structure of Muslim life.’’897 Hughes correctly asserts that in Islam, ‘slavery is interwoven with the Law of marriage, the Law of sale, and the Law of inheritance… And its abolition would strike at the very foundation of the code of Mohammedanism.’898

Ibn Khaldun thought the extensive enslavement of Blacks in Africa by Muslims was justified, ‘because they have attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals.’899 In the annals of Muslim historians, enslavement in general, especially of the allegedly barbarian Blacks, became a matter of pride. It was also deemed as an act of generosity toward curing them of their barbaric nature and sinful religions by bringing them into the true faith and civilized world of Islam. About this line of thinking of the devout Islamic thinkers, writes Arnold, ‘devout minds have even recognized in enslavement God’s guidance to the true faith…’900

The Negroes from the Upper Nile countries were violently enslaved in massive numbers and converted to Islam. They were summarily castrated and transported across great distances; in the course of this, the majority of them (80–90 percent) perished. Of those, transported across the Atlantic to the new world, some 30–50 percent perished ‘in transit to the coast, in confinement awaiting shipment and at sea on the way to Americas.’ The mortality of slaves on board ships in their passage to the New World is estimated at 10 percent.

...

[sign in to see URL]



Three percentages are mentioned. The last one can be ignored and the higher value taken, for the second percentage value shown.

Basically, excluding the numbers murdered, of those that fought, trying to stop their loved ones being taken as slaves, only 10% of those enslaved survived the next stage, of being "castrated and transported across great distances".

Of 1000, only 100 survived so far.

Next, 50% "perished in transit to the coast, in confinement awaiting shipment and at sea on the way to Americas."

Of 100, only 50 survived so far.

50 Survived, per 1000...

5%...

So, we're looking at a generally accepted estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million people were [sign in to see URL] were alive and recorded as [sign in to see URL] I'd go rather with the upper numbers mentioned, such as, "Four million slaves exported via the Red Sea, another four million through the Swahili ports of the Indian Ocean, perhaps as many as nine million along the trans-Saharan caravan route, and eleven to twenty million (depending on the author) across the Atlantic Ocean."

That means, since 18 Million people, 5%, survived to actually reach their destinations, 360 Million people, were murdered by Muslims, just with slavery.

Lower Values Total: 360 Million murdered by Muslims.

If we use the higher values of 4 Million, plus 4 Million, plus 9 Million, plus 20 Million, we have a 5% value of 37 Million, with a total of 740 Million people, murdered by Muslims, just with slavery.

Higher Values Total: 740 Million people murdered by Muslims.

That's excluding the murder of millions of people, by Muslim slavery, that has continued since 1900CE, to today...
1/8/2018, 4:45 am Link to this post PM Wayne Botha Blog
 
greendocnowciv Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Moderator
Global user

Registered: 11-2017
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


Wayne,

Any part of "the protocols of the elders of zion" makes the piece very suspect, as that is a very well known item of Anti-Semitic propaganda created by the Tsarist secret police.

Tsarist Russian leadership was one of the most rabidly antisemitic elites known.
1/9/2018, 1:44 am Link to this post PM greendocnowciv Blog
 
Wayne Botha Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user
Global user

Registered: 01-2018
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


Doc, everyone that has read about the protocols knows that info. I have even posted about that, years ago. [url][sign in to see URL]

As for rabid antisemitism, you are describing most of Europe back [sign in to see URL] the pdf and you will see. If you don't believe what is mentioned in the pdf, research the persons, events and issues, further.
1/9/2018, 3:37 am Link to this post PM Wayne Botha Blog
 
Wayne Botha Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user
Global user

Registered: 01-2018
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


BTW, in the PDF I posted about, there are the things mentioned by Jacob Frank, that shows his links to Weishaupt and the [sign in to see URL] the Jesuits. Jacob Frank keeps mentioning a "her" as the figure that will appear, in what seems to me, in a Messianic role. That reminded me of info I posted on a forum years ago, regarding the Roman Catholic church.

The info I had posted started with info I had come across, regarding Islam's links with with Christianity:

quote:

...Let me tell you, that all muslims irrespective of any group, we belong to, believe that he was a christian. Before Muhammad {peace be upon him} was bestowed with Prophethood, i.e in the age of Ignorance, one of the religions existed were christianity. There were very few amongst the people of scripture { Christians and Jews } who truly followed there religions. Anyways, but to say he was a teacher of Prophet, we don't believe such. Waraqa bin Naufal, was a true christian, since he recognised, Muhammad as a prophet, as prophesised by the Gospels. Therefore it's no wonder, after when Prophet Muhammad was first visited by Arch Angel Gibreel (Gabriel) peace be upon him, and brought him the first five verses of the Holy Qur'an and declared him as the Prophet of Allah, his Noble wife, Khadija took him to her cousin 'Waraqa Bin Noufal' who knew the Scriptures of Jews and Christians (who is stated to have translated them into Arabic).

When Khadija visited him after this first revelation of God's Message (about 610 A.D) and informed him about this great incidence, Waraqa bin Noufal cried out :"Holy! Holy! This is the Namus (The Holy Spirit) who came to Moses. He will be the Prophet of his people. Tell him this and bid him be brave of heart." Some time later, when he met the Holy Prophet he again confirmed the truth declared by Torah and Gospel : "I swear by Him (Means Allah) is whose hand Waraqa's life is, Allah has chosen you to be the Prophet of this people. They will call you a liar, they will persecute you, they will banish you, they will fight against you. Oh, that I could live to those days. I would fight for these." As he was very old, he died soon. We consider him the first person to accept Muhammad [peace be upon him] as a prophet.

...

[url][sign in to see URL]



That's a Muslim writing that quoted piece. Also, this Owen poster, mentions 4 "Christians", involved in the declaration and support of the Islamic prophet.

quote:

1) Waqara bin naufal bin asad bin abdul uzza - who was a christian, and a distand cousin of muhammad. It was waraqa who said: "Verily muhammad is the prophet of this people."

2) Ubaydullah ibn jash ibn ra'ab ibn ya'mar ibn sabra ibn murra ibn kabir ibn ghanm ibn dudan asad ibn khazayam; - who was related to muhammad by his grandfather abdul muttalib and went t o abyssinia and became a christian.

3) Uthman bin al huwayrith bin asad bin abudl uzza ibn qusayy - khadiyjah's cousin and became a christian at constantinople as well.

4) Zayd ibn amr ibn nufayl ibn abdul uzza ibn abdullah ibn qurt ibn riyah ibn uzzah ibn adiyy ibn ka'b ibn luwaiy - he was a cousin of umar.



Muslims confirm this, whist correcting some inaccuracies in this Owen's info, yet their explanations for the influence exerted by these particular men, in the creation of Islam, is insufficient.

Read the entire page and also take note of the info, that discusses others involved, such as:

1/13/2018, 4:44 pm Link to this post PM Wayne Botha Blog
 
Wayne Botha Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user
Global user

Registered: 01-2018
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


quote:

Only christians were telling muhammad's family that he was going to be special. Everybody who had came into contact with muhammad's father around the same time of his betrothal engagement were roman catholic arabs. Abdullah was approached by a woman, named qutayla, who was the sister of waraqa bin naufal, a christian, and the holder of the arabic bible, on his way to the ka'aba. Qutayla knew that abdullah was going to be the father of muhammad and she informed him of this. You see the plan was already in the works by the vatican. Qutayla had consulted some soothsayers, and they agreed that abdullah wa going to be the father of this appointed prophet. Qutayla's intentions were to offer herself to him, so that she might have the honour of being the mother of their prophet. So qutayla (a christian and cousin to muhammad's first wife, khadiyjah) asked Abdullah to marry her, as she wanted to be the mother of his son. As legend says, abdullah looked at her, a light radiated from his forehead abdullah promised to claim her after three days.



Also:
quote:

I am actually studying islam and have been for years. As you know it will be ongoing till the day i leave this realm. And i'm not copying and pasting i just have knowledge and truth i would like to share with the world. And i don't need to go to anti-islamic sites for my questions. I have books of my own which stirs my mind.

Think about what you are saying anti-islamic. That is a ridiculous statement to say to me because islam means peace so you are suggesting that i'm anti peace. LOL

Now orthodox sunni muslims would never admit that the founder of islam was recognized first by a christian. To say this is blasphemy to the orthodox sunni muslim world.

Muhammad while a young boy heard koss, bishop of nejran, preach a purer creed than that of mecca, in accents which agitated and aroused his soul. Thus this is one of the proofs that he was influenced by christians!

Then it was said a little later on when muhammad was nine years old, he was with his uncle abu taalib while traveling in a caravan a roman catholic monk named bahira, from busra, syria had invited them to a feast, and saw the boy and questioned him. Then he asked to see the mark on his back. He exclaimed "it is the seal of prophethood." This catholic monk warned muhammad's uncle, by telling him to take your brothers son back to his country and guard him against the jews. for by god if they see him and know of him that which i know they will construe evil against him. Great things are in store for this brother's son of yours. It was nothing but a big [sign in to see URL] by catholics for st. augustine and the catholic church!

The monk bahira was well versed in the knowledge of christians. Bahira looked upon the prophet muhammad who said: "Ask me what you like. So he began to ask him about what happened in his sleep, and his habits, and his affairs, generally, and what the apostle of god told him coincided with what bahira knew of his description. Then he looked at his back and saw the seal of prophethood between his shoulders in the very place described in his book..."
(The life of muhamamd, a. guillaume, oxford university press. 1980 A.D. pages 80)

This is the same story of jesus in jerusalem with the elders as a young boy (gospel of luke 2:41-47).

When muhammad was taken back to mecca, bahira kept the jews away from him. Prior to muhammad's marriage to khadiyjah (who was older than he was and had been married twice before) this event took place:

"The apostle stopped in the shade of a tree near a monk's cell, when the monk came up to maysara and asked who the man was who was resting beneath the tree. He told him that he was of quraish, the people who held the sanctuary and the monk exclaimed: none but a prophet ever sat beneath this tree.
(the life of muhammad, a. guillaume, oxford university press, 1980 A.D. page 82).

Despite your own writings, the orthodox sunni muslims do not give the christians credit for being knowledgeable enough in the scriptures which came before the qur'aan to foretell and plan the propethood of muhammad as you have just read.



I also added more on the issue:

quote:

...

Muslims have claimed that Waraqa represents the pure, uncorrupted form of Christianity, and who deny the Christian Trinity. However, there is no evidence that Waraqa was a Unitarian Christian. In fact, historical evidence appears to contradict this. The churches in the Arabian peninsula were either in communion with the Monophysitic Church in Egypt or the Nestorian Church in Constantinople (and these two had long been in antagonistic relationships). Both branches believe that Jesus was divinely God; they differed in how the human and divine natures of Jesus interacted when He was man on this earth. The Qur'anic teaching are more in line with the Nestorian teaching.

...

 [sign in to see URL]



I then posted info regarding Mary...

quote:

Queen of Peace
By Roger Oakland

...

[sign in to see URL]



He mentions a site in his opening paragraph:

quote:

A number of articles are beginning to appear on the Internet suggesting that the current Islamic-Pope Benedict controversy may soon be resolved by a coming peace plan that will be initiated by the Roman Catholic Mary – the Queen of Peace. This plan would be mutually agreeable to Rome and Islam.

 For example, you can read the following two articles:

 · Our Lady and Islam: Heaven’s Peace Plan [sign in to see URL]

...



When you read the info on that Roman Catholic site, linked to, the info that Jacob Frank was trying to push, regarding a "her" in a Messianic role, seems to be linked. That is, it seems to me that Jacob Frank and his handlers were attempting to influence humanity's thoughts in getting them to accept this very long planned "acceptance" of a "Mary" in a Messianic role, at a particular point, in order to push the New World Order agenda.

Also, there is a lot of info about the Roman Catholic church, regarding it's influence in Israel, related to the rebuilding of the 3rd temple. [url][sign in to see URL]

At the KAI forum I posted links to a site where the person, Ken, has a pretty good idea about related issues, which should also be read by anyone interested in these issues, regarding the evolution of the New World Order and messianic figures being presented to the world. [sign in to see URL]
1/13/2018, 4:45 pm Link to this post PM Wayne Botha Blog
 
Wayne Botha Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user
Global user

Registered: 01-2018
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


This site seems to destroy links, so you get a "Bad Request - Invalid URL HTTP Error 400. The request URL is invalid." message.

So simply copy the particular URL and paste it into a new page of your browser and it will work.
1/14/2018, 7:00 am Link to this post PM Wayne Botha Blog
 
RedQ Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Moderator
Global user

Registered: 11-2017
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


Wayne, I think the only problem with links is that they can not be put into a "quote", i.e. Start quote/End quote in the editor. If you do, the link won't work. So, you have to pull the link address out of the quote and into the text.

Last edited by RedQ, 1/14/2018, 11:27 pm
1/14/2018, 12:18 pm Link to this post PM RedQ Blog
 
Wayne Botha Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user
Global user

Registered: 01-2018
Reply | Quote
Re: If you don't know your past, you don't know your future...


OK, thanks for the info RedQ.
1/14/2018, 1:40 pm Link to this post PM Wayne Botha Blog
 


Add a reply

Page:  1  2 





You are not logged in (login)
Back To Top