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That is not what I have done. You said that society was converging to Z and I described what Z looks like.



Not at all. I said:

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there is always a growth in "PC" attitudes



This doesn't mean PC attitudes will eventually destroy creativity and "solve conversation", it means as times change there will always be people who think that the status quo needs to be more "politically correct". That doesn't mean that the rest of us will acquiesce to those beliefs, and it doesn't mean that there is a logical end point where we've become "completely PC".

As an example, suppose in the next few decades we develop humanoid robots and AI indistinguishable from people - There will probably be a PC crowd that thinks "robot" is an offensive term for those machines, or that those machines should get the right to vote, etc.

Times change, technology changes, society changes, and there will always be at least some people that will be viewed as "PC". Eventually those "PC" views either become normalized (racism bad) or they get forgotten about or ignored by the rest of us.

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At universities people are always asked to apologize for having white ancestors. It's required by the Democratic Socialists aka Liberal Fascists that now comprise the Crats."

I am planning to hand out these Cards in Protest over Christmas in a few months.

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Lucid,

Regardless of what you think you said, the phenomenon is taking place in real time. The example of Justin Trudeau correcting a questioner about her use of "mankind" instead of simply answering the question is evidence of this. At one time, his silly behavior would have gotten him laughed off the stage. Now, many laud it.

The typical professional response to PC dictates is that it is easier to follow them than to risk repercussions. Therefore, whenever the PC police invent a new dictate, it is likely to take hold. I once swore I would never be prevented from saying "Merry Christmas!" However, after seeing apprehension in students and other faculty, I have shied away from it. I can live with not saying, "Merry Christmas!" but I can not live without my livelihood. All the PC police have to do is invent a rule and we are all eventually forced to adopt it.

If you think about your speech from day to day, it is laced with plausible microaggressions. Sometimes you have to dig to find them, but they are always there. Eventually, the PC police will find them all, and creative discussion will cease.

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The example of Justin Trudeau correcting a questioner about her use of "mankind" instead of simply answering the question is evidence of this.


Trudeau's remarks were stupid and he's not representative of the rest of us liberals.

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Eventually, the PC police will find them all, and creative discussion will cease.


The fact that you think this just proves that you are terrible at extrapolating into the future.

The thing you seem to continue to miss is that most Democrats think that a lot of that PC stuff is absurd too. Democrats are more willing to call a trans woman a "woman" but I've never in my life been told off by a fellow democrat for saying "bless you" when they sneeze or "merry christmas". You want to believe that all Democrats believe the same thing, but it simply isn't true. Just because the ultra-PC crowd likes to shout into a megaphone and the leadership loves virtue signalling doesn't mean that they're speaking for the rest of us.

As long as you're polite about it, nobody is going to fire you for saying "merry christmas" unless there are some sort of rules that expressly forbid it for some reason at your particular institution. If you say "merry christmas" and they say "actually I'm jewish and I don't celebrate christmas" and you respond with "Oh, sorry, happy holidays then!" nobody will be pissed off. The mistake people make is responding to such situations with vitriol or spite. If you respond with "WELL I'M A CHRISTIAN AND THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION" then you might very well get fired, and rightfully so, because only an asshole responds like that.

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If you say "merry christmas" and they say "actually I'm jewish and I don't celebrate christmas" and you respond with "Oh, sorry, happy holidays then!" nobody will be pissed off.


That has not been my experience. The conversation is more likely to go like this:

Person A: "Merry Christmas!"

Person B: "I'm secular."

Person A: "Oh sorry, happy holidays then."

Person B: "Secular means not religions at all. You should just say, 'Have a nice break,' or something that has no religious overtones whatsoever.

Person A: Dumbfounded.

Person B: Walks out with a smug look on their face and a sense of personal victory.

Trust me. I live among them.
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Spikosauropod wrote:

Trust me. I live among them.



I can only speak from personal experience, but I've never encountered anything like that. Assholes will be assholes though, so I don't doubt that it happens sometimes. I still can't imagine you'd be fired for it as long as you're polite and non-confrontational.

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I still can't imagine you'd be fired for it as long as you're polite and non-confrontational.


It is coming. I can feel it.

Thank God I can retire in two years and eight months...and get started cooking all my food over an open fire!
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There are many hidden conservo stories in the naked city...here is one.

A comedian podcaster/youtuber named Owen Benjamin was an undercover conservative in the California entertainment world for many years, and got less and less comfortable with hiding.

I only heard about his "coming out" as a conservative second hand on the Joe Rogan site.

Joe has both conservo and libbo guests, and this guest was a conservo website host who had hired Owen Benjamin for a writing job and noted that Benjamin was planning to tweet about the day.

Joe warned this guest not to. Joe had been noted as a Nazi and other hateful terms because of this or that conservative guest or comment. Joe warned him that he would be attacked and his career ruined, or at least very seriously affected.

Thats exactly what happened. After the worst was over, friends helped Benjamin get started online. He thrived outside of the regular system, using his vlogging as a base and growing his fan base and getting "gigs" that way.

Being released from his "mind constraints" he became a much happier, "fuller" man.

Apparently, the many conervo's hiding in Cali entertainment are informally part of a large semi-secret group called "the friends of Abe."

Look at academia, from which Spike speaks but also from which come so many glaring articles! Then Entertainment and News Media. Facebook, Google are not alone - apparently Silicon Valley is becoming saturated with PC.

Its something the Right has noticed with alarm for years, and noted since he got elected as one of the big reasons.
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Why can’t conservatives relax and quit running other peoples lives.

I am gonna bring my husband to Christmas.

https://youtu.be/Jkpgqtt6CDI < Joe Rogan on the absurdity of opposition to gay marriage. It has abso f*cking lutely NOTHING to do with you. Why do you care?
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Why can’t conservatives relax and quit running other peoples lives.


What occurs in public spaces has to be consensual. Lately, it has not been OK to play genuine Christmas carols. However, it apparently is OK to paint sidewalks, that everyone is forced to cross, like this:

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It is progressives that will not quit running the rest of our lives.
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