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ZUCKERBERG TO BE COMMENDED


Mark Zuckerberg, Founder and CEO of FACEBOOK, now has it right. Zuckerberg recently stated:

"I’m Jewish, and there’s a set of people who deny that the Holocaust happened. I find that deeply offensive. But at the end of the day, I don’t believe that our platform should take that down because I think there are things that different people get wrong. I don’t think that they’re intentionally getting it wrong."

Just as they reprimanded Maron Brando and Gary Oldman for stating that "Hollywood is run by Jews," critics in the Jewish High Counsel -- notably the Anti-Defamation League and the Simon Wiesenthal Center -- were quick to jump on Zuckerberg as just "wrong". "Facebook has a moral and ethical obligation not to allow its dissemination" elaborated, Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the ADL.(1)

Like Rabbi Hier and Abraham Foxman before him, Rabbi Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center is clueless about First Amendment values. He doesn't understand that even false statements, lies, bigotry and hate are all protected by the First Amendment. It is not Mark Zuckerberg's job -- or Cooper's job -- to sort out all the false statement, lies, bigotry and hate on FACEBOOK or in the world. That's the job of all of us -- WE THE PEOPLE of America and of the World. That's not the job of WE THE JEWS or WE THE SCIENTOLOGISTS or WE THE CHRISTIANS or WE THE DEMS or WE THE GOP...

Again, that's the job of all society to communicate with itself and hash out what's true and what's false in this universe of infinite raw data.

In my opinion, Holocaust deniers are putting out false data. But the market of free speech -- and unfettered evaluation -- will eventually figure out what's true and what's false and the falsities will fall away. Unfortunately when this happens "Thought Police" at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center will no longer have paid jobs.

So good for you Mark Zuckerberg you broke with the herd. You seem to be asserting that your job is to provide a platform where WE THE PEOPLE can communicate with each other no matter how brilliant or misguided that communication. You seem to be asserting that your job is not to edit or censor the vast pool of data the public is discussing whether such be about Trump or the Holocaust.

The First Amendment supports things that some -- even many -- find offensive. Rabbi Cooper thus has every right to speak out about what he finds offensive and say . . .

"The Nazi Holocaust is the most documented atrocity in history and allowing the canard of Holocaust denial to be posted on Facebook, or any other social media platform, cannot be justified in the name of 'free exchange of ideas' when the idea itself is based on a falsehood."

. . . but proponents of the "free exchange of ideas" embodied in the First Amendment also have the right to say Rabbi Cooper is misguided.

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 (1) Sometimes the Jewish High Counsel gets it right and sometimes it gets it wrong. See MAINSTREAM Part 3 https://youtu.be/H6iHHi6zRIU where they got it wrong by supporting false information about Maron Brando, Mel Gibson, Gary Oldman and Seth MacFarlane.
    

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/nation-now/2018/07/19/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-clarifies-comments-holocaust-deniers/799438002/
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Its run by the Jews, but its not well, that is for sure, based on box office proceeds. Plus, so much of the action films are now geared for the China market, it likely plays, less well, to the nuanced, US Domestic audience.

Like all corporatists, the US boards of directors, look to China's population of 1.4 billion, and then have wet-dreams about it. Outside of movies, all these US manufacturers like Apple, give in to Chinese demands, to turn their tech over to the Communist Party, to go into their war fighting capability, as well as domestic production.

It is possible that in the next several years, much filming of movies produced in the US will cease. I wouldn't be shocked if these companies, now in Cali, will relocate for the Chinese audience. In other words, sell the whole thing. Maybe the Chinese will try to make films in the US. I see a better chance for the Indians to start doing this.

Harvey, baby, may have been the last hurrah for the Jews.

Personally, I still think Zuck, sucks, and that nazis gonna do what nazis gonna do. Some may be Islamists, rather than your trusty, Georgia based kluxer, or Russian agents stirring the pot, on FB, pretending to be Bubba. My opinion--is that Zuck sucks--but that pre-dates this issue.

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Good Post James. Thanks. The First Amendment should allow ALL speech but it cannot stop the reaction to idiotic and imbecilic distortions of history’. There are hundreds of hours of film available right now on YouTube to anyone with a Smartphone documenting the atrocities of the Third Reich The Adolph Hitler led National Socialists in Germany and Europe between 1935 and 1945 are repugnant by any standard. I will NOT be joining the American Nazi Party now or ever.
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I think it is well within Facebook's right as a private company to restrict what people say on their platform, but if it were me running it then I'd have no limits because I personally don't believe in limiting what people have to say.

A similar thing is happening with Reddit, where various SJW groups are trying to shut down discussion and subreddits they find problematic, and to reddit's credit they are (mostly) ignoring the super-PC crowd. Everyone has to follow the generic reddit rules of conduct, but "wrongthink" is not a valid justification for censoring people on that platform.

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Account closed permanently. I won't stand for abuse of authority by forum administration to censor criticism of a conservative radio host that celebrated the death of AIDS patients on his show. Maybe some day we'll speak again elsewhere.
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Lightly commended at most. It's not particularly brave for any Jew visiting Israel to offend some perceived Jewish sensibility - to definitely include the Holocaust - as long as you have some clout, or are a celebrity.

An example of this was a short while ago, when actress Natalie Portman gently blew off an award Israel gives out to some accomplished Jew annually - often or always a foreigner, and hoping to bond with that celebrity to some degree.

That kind of thing is part of an effort by many Israeli groups to fight back against the years old and now pretty strong "BDS" movement. The good idea of that is shown, because it was the same anti-Israeli activism behind BDS that pushed Portman to back out.

Some angry words and print towards her, but not much. BDS and other activism has many PR and foreign contact interested Isrealis very skittish about slights with anyone famous or otherwise influential.

Of course, Zuck fits that bill.

But still a nice idea, free speech, right? Of course! Sadly...

ZuckBook, Google and Googles' YouTube, have been favoring libbo-PC stuff, and going after conservo stuff. Not been commendable, Zuck.

Its free enterprise, tho, so "have at it, guys." Be as censorious as ya wanna be. That reminds why competition is valuable, can be so good.

I only go on Google now if I have zero luck on my current less able alternative, which is well capable for approx 90% of my search needs.

I have checked out out alternatives to YouTube, and several of my fave creators have now been also using alternative sites. They started using these in parallel to their regular YouTube posting after the "adpocolypse."

Thus Zuck is only lightly commended by me. I am glad to see a fellow yank expressing long running firm free expression beliefs. If only Zuck felt that way referring to political speech.

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Private industry may have a right to censor, but to the degree either private industry or the state keep censoring they will simply prolong the ignorance and the bigotry.

Just let all people say their piece and be done with it. If people in general can't sort out the truth with the largest database of knowledge ever at all of our finger tips -- the Internet -- then the problem isn't the false data, it's us and our ability to discern fact from fiction. It's our inability to know how to know.



 
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For me Zuck is a villain on quite a few counts.
1. He turned over the information of US citizens in to the Communist Party, China

2. He censors patriots or conservatives, all the time.

3. He funds the democrat party $$$
Which is now a party of democratic socialists, aka, Stalinists.

4. He is part of the ruling class, along with the Koch bros, Soros, Steyer, Academia, Hollywood, that is inimical, to the US middle class.

On the Jew thing, Zucker attempted feebly to state that the holo-deniers, were somehow uniformed of their inaccuracy. The holo-boys know what went on, and just want to get the Jews in some psychological way, if not physical.

The perps are by no means Goose-steppers. They can be Muslims, Communists, and any religious kook, out to grind an axe. I do not fear Kluxers, I fear the Democratic Socialists who run corporations, academia, entertainment, and the news. These are committed people, with lots of cash.
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>For me Zuck is a villain on quite a few counts.

1. He turned over the information of US citizens in to the Communist Party, China

2. He censors patriots or conservatives, all the time.

3. He funds the democrat party $$$
Which is now a party of democratic socialists, aka, Stalinists.

4. He is part of the ruling class, along with the Koch bros, Soros, Steyer, Academia, Hollywood, that is inimical, to the US middle class.

Okay fine. But shouldn't we validate people when they do something right? How else do we have a hope of changing things?
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Sure!

However, for me, a rabid, US nationalist (kinda sorta) this one news item is horrifying.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-05/facebook-discloses-data-sharing-deals-with-chinese-device-makers

Bloomberg is the best of a bad lot of "propagandists for the Dems," and what this, more clearly reveals, is that Zuckerberg gave information on Facebook users, to the CP and PLA, via selling to Chinese partners. All Chinese companies have a political officer that reports to the Communist Party China.

Thus, it is surmised that data on the families of US military members, and those in the military, have gone to the PLA. Government officials, etc. China has decided that it wants to be a military threat to the US. We can discuss this, until we are green in the face but this is what it now looks like.

So, basically, if you like the way the US was (I kinda do) because of Zuck it may be destroyed in an attack by China.

This is my view anyway.

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Good points.

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